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Re: Sailing boat rescued by the Götheborg

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6theborg_(ship) Fysa, they almost certainly completed the rescue using their twin 500hp diesels rather than sail power. One sailboat towing another creates a host of sail/wind/wave issues. Almost every large sailing vessel, including historic replicas, has diesel engines for those times that sail is just too awkward.

They need engines to safely navigate close to port, I would think

Re: Sailing boat rescued by the Götheborg

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I also encountered this with German folk speaking English and pronouncing "v" as "w" - "Let's meet up in the willage" If they'd pronounced it "Let's meet up in the fillage" that would make sense as they'd be using the German pronunciation of "v", but I couldn't wrap my head around "willage".

> If they'd pronounced it "Let's meet up in the fillage" that would make sense as they'd be using the German pronunciation of "v", but I couldn't wrap my head around "willage". Depending on the word, in German a "v" is either pronounced like "f" or "w", e.g. [der] Vogel -> "Fogel" [die] Vase -> "Wase" A rule of thumb that I heard is that if a German word is of French origin and starts with V, the V is pronounced like…

Surely Vase (German) should be spoken as "Vahse" (english phonetic), not with the W sound.

I guess you mean the German F and W! That way it's clear.

Re: Sailing boat rescued by the Götheborg

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> This moment was very strange, and we wondered if we were dreaming. Where were we? What time period was it? If only the rescue crew dressed the part they could have believed they somehow managed to time travel.

There a literally books written with nearly that exact premise for the plot

Know the names?

Re: Sailing boat rescued by the Götheborg

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What part of Germany are you from? Isn't there a clear distinction between Wolke (cloud) and Volk (people). I ask this as Dutch speaker (so, speaker of 'West Germanic') where there is a very clear distinction between volk and wolk (which presumably have the exact same meaning and origin as their German counterparts). Anecdotally, I once spoke with Russian students (this was long ago) who insisted that there was a Rus…

Yes, but "volk" is IPA /fɔlk/ while Wolke is /ˈvɔlkə/. That's a major difference. But in this context, the "v" we're talking about is the English IPA /'v/ (e.g. valley /ˈvæli/) vs. IPA /w/ (e.g. wool, IPA /wʊl/) and that difference is far less noticeable.

Ah, yes. IPA. Now it's super obvious how it sounds.

Re: Sailing boat rescued by the Götheborg

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Just imagine in the 1500's deciding to set sail to Asia. Hardly having a map. No communication means, food that's not easy to store, nothing more then a compass and if lucky a shitty map. If things go wrong no one is coming to help. Wild times. Was actually the reason they founded the Amsterdam stock market to spread & share the risk of the ships not returning. I know many bad things happen at well, but it's still a…

I can't imagine how the polynesians discovered Hawaii. Sailing thousands of miles in a small wooden boat and finding a speck of land in the pacific ocean.

Polynesian navigational techniques are very interesting: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polynesian_navigation

Re: Sailing boat rescued by the Götheborg

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Just imagine in the 1500's deciding to set sail to Asia. Hardly having a map. No communication means, food that's not easy to store, nothing more then a compass and if lucky a shitty map. If things go wrong no one is coming to help. Wild times. Was actually the reason they founded the Amsterdam stock market to spread & share the risk of the ships not returning. I know many bad things happen at well, but it's still a…

Also why things like Lloyds of London started; to insure the risk of ships not returning.

Yeah seems to be one of the foundational pieces of modern finance

Re: Sailing boat rescued by the Götheborg

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In the post they mention that Götheborg had to adapt it's speed to the boat being towed, which probably limited the larger vessels sail-usage. As another poster here, I also have a friend who has been able to sail on Götheborg once. The ship definitely have usable sails that are used most of the time. If I understand it correctly the motor is to some degree there as a modern safety requirement (and possibly it makes…

There's also the thing that while modern keeled sailboats are able to sail well upwind, that is not the case for these classic vessels which have a much smaller/shallower keel, and have a lot of trouble upwind. So if the wind is not right and you're on a schedule then motoring is the only option.

The keel is a factor but bigger factor are the sails. Modern sailboats are fore-and-aft rigged which can sail closer to the wind. Gotheburg is square-rigged which can barely sail upwind.

Square-rigged allowed for more sail. It also worked better for larger ships since had lots of little sails instead of one big one.

Re: Sailing boat rescued by the Götheborg

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post #105

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I can't imagine how the polynesians discovered Hawaii. Sailing thousands of miles in a small wooden boat and finding a speck of land in the pacific ocean.

Polynesian navigational techniques are very interesting: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polynesian_navigation

The power of oral tradition is nuts. It can preserve information for thousands of years.

Re: Sailing boat rescued by the Götheborg

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> If they'd pronounced it "Let's meet up in the fillage" that would make sense as they'd be using the German pronunciation of "v", but I couldn't wrap my head around "willage". Depending on the word, in German a "v" is either pronounced like "f" or "w", e.g. [der] Vogel -> "Fogel" [die] Vase -> "Wase" A rule of thumb that I heard is that if a German word is of French origin and starts with V, the V is pronounced like…

Surely Vase (German) should be spoken as "Vahse" (english phonetic), not with the W sound. I guess you mean the German F and W! That way it's clear.

You are correct. In German, V is F and W is V. There is no W phoneme, except incidentally as in "mauer". I can't imagine a German saying "willage" except perhaps as a joke. In German "willage" would be spelled "uilage" and that would just be really uierd. (Source: I'm a native German speaker, though my family emigrated to the U.S. when I was five so I speak German like a five-year-old who hasn't had much opportunity to practice in a very long time.)

Re: Sailing boat rescued by the Götheborg

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Surely Vase (German) should be spoken as "Vahse" (english phonetic), not with the W sound. I guess you mean the German F and W! That way it's clear.

You are correct. In German, V is F and W is V. There is no W phoneme, except incidentally as in "mauer". I can't imagine a German saying "willage" except perhaps as a joke. In German "willage" would be spelled "uilage" and that would just be really uierd. (Source: I'm a native German speaker, though my family emigrated to the U.S. when I was five so I speak German like a five-year-old who hasn't had much opportunity…

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