As a chronic leukaemia patient (twice chemo campaign treated - currently in middle of one) I'd like to see this study done on my group. I have certainly tried to be fitter in advance of current treatment that started 17 days ago.
Exercise increases number of immune cells in cancer patients
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Re: Exercise increases number of immune cells in cancer patients
#112im not surprised i've always opposed the "you're sick therefore you should rest" advice, your lymph nodes are mechanical pumps, maybe you shouldn't go run 10 miles or do heavy lifting but definitely walk around or ride a bike if you feel up to it
always opposing this advice is draconian and incorrect because resting is the correct advice for many ailments
There are very few ailments for which complete bed rest is a good idea. Unless the patient is in an ICU or something it is almost always beneficial to get up and move around as much as possible. This prevents muscle atrophy and helps keep circulatory, lymphatic, and digestive systems working normally.
If you disagree then please provide medical journal citations.
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#113It would be nice if we could find what triggers the body's improved condition when doing exercise, and trigger it maximally without having to do hours of repetitive nonsense. It's fine if you like to do it, but a lot of us obviously don't. I wonder how the progress is going in this sphere.
You're not going to find a magic pill that allows you to get away with being lazy. Whether you like to exercise or not is irrelevant. Embrace the suck.
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#114I am currently lying in hospital after a so far 7 night stay. I am post chemo for Hairy Cell Leukaemia treatment that commenced 17 days ago. I am doing well enough but it's a struggle. ( I previously was successfully treated for the same chronic condition 9 years ago). My normal weight is around 80kg (I'm a 59yo male). I think I got down to 79kg prior to treatment this time - we actively sought exercise in the prior…
keep at it! I hope you come out the other end a survivor and a stronger person! You'll certainly have earned it.
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Figured that would be Peter Attia. https://peterattiamd.com/podcast/ His podcast is amazing but can be dense and technical at times. He's evidence based and would probably fit in with the HN crowd.
Peter Attia got me into having a weekly MRI and wearing a dexcom 24/7. Costly, but great stuff.
Weekly, seriously? What's the background with that?
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Its even simpler. Exercise (specifically, aerobic type) is the main thing you need. A good exercise regime gives you a lot of leeway in the diet aspect especially if you don't overeat (since your caloric burn will be high enough on the regular to not have to deal with issues like too much carbs). It also helps you sleep as you get tired and can fall asleep easier, and reduces stress levels, which is very important in…
You can’t outrun a bad diet. It takes a lot of exercise to burn off excess calories, and virtually no effort to simply not consume them. I understand that health is more than just calories, and you can come to the same conclusion about other bad things like trans fats, alcohol, etc. If someone had to choose only one thing to do for health, a healthy diet is far more important than exercise.
Bad diet, as in Mcdonalds every day and lots of sugar, is going to be bad for you even with exercise, but thats because you probably aren't getting the nutrients that you need.
The big issue with diets is that people eat too much carbs, and if you aren't burning those carbs for energy, this is where problems happen. Healthy regiment of exercise will help greatly with this, giving you the option to eat tasty foods with carbs and maintain a good weight without any problems.
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#117Earlier quoted context omitted.
Its even simpler. Exercise (specifically, aerobic type) is the main thing you need. A good exercise regime gives you a lot of leeway in the diet aspect especially if you don't overeat (since your caloric burn will be high enough on the regular to not have to deal with issues like too much carbs). It also helps you sleep as you get tired and can fall asleep easier, and reduces stress levels, which is very important in…
Cycling has its own risks as it can reduce bone density if you cycle instead of walking or other forms of exercise.
Make every other ride a mountain bike ride and you will have no issues with bone density.
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#118I am currently lying in hospital after a so far 7 night stay. I am post chemo for Hairy Cell Leukaemia treatment that commenced 17 days ago. I am doing well enough but it's a struggle. ( I previously was successfully treated for the same chronic condition 9 years ago). My normal weight is around 80kg (I'm a 59yo male). I think I got down to 79kg prior to treatment this time - we actively sought exercise in the prior…
A lot of the daily fluctuations in weight, even in just everyday life for people not in hospitals, involves changes in water weight rather than actual changes in the tissue mass.
For example, I regularly fluctuate +/- 3lbs or so around my true weight over the course of a day.
Looking at daily values can give a distorted picture, but if you use those daily weighings to average into weekly numbers, you can track changes.
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#119It would be nice if we could find what triggers the body's improved condition when doing exercise, and trigger it maximally without having to do hours of repetitive nonsense. It's fine if you like to do it, but a lot of us obviously don't. I wonder how the progress is going in this sphere.
You're not going to find a magic pill that allows you to get away with being lazy. Whether you like to exercise or not is irrelevant. Embrace the suck.
There isn't one now, fine. But why shouldn't we be trying to invent one?
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#120For anyone interested further in this topic and generally the four horsemen(t2 diabetes, heart disease, cancer, and Alzheimer's disease), the book Outlive by Peter Attia is a very good general overview of factors that affect each, how medicine will need to evolve to a more preventative stance to move the needle on these diseases, what biomarkers are being discovered for these diseases.
His general stance is that by the time someone is diagnosed with any of these, it is far too late to have sustainable, effective treatment for many.
Its not exactly a short read, but is very eye opening.