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Re: More people are getting away with murder

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Was on a jury for a murder trial dec 2021. The trial gave me a new found respect for how trials are conducted, what evidence is allowed in, how defendants are protected, and the general thought and reasoning behind it all. Then, the jury deliberated and I lost a ton of respect for the ability of a jury of my peers to logically reason and responsibly decide. It was an absolute shit show in false pretenses, irrational…

Honestly never understood the rationale behind jury-based trials. You're having a group of people who aren't trained in law, forcing them to rely only on the bits of evidence presented in the court, and asking them to make an unbiased decision, when they clearly have not been given any training of the sort? I mean, vesting all the power in the jury is just as bad as vesting all power in a single person/group of perso…

> Honestly never understood the rationale behind jury-based trials. You're having a group of people who aren't trained in law, forcing them to rely only on the bits of evidence presented in the court, and asking them to make an unbiased decision, when they clearly have not been given any training of the sort?

this is a democracy, and the power of a democracy is ultimately on people; these people can vote, and they get to vote on your guilt.

Re: More people are getting away with murder

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It seems like you might have very unrealistic expectations for the criminal justice system. Defendants are constitutionally entitled to a jury trial. Even if they were caught on 4k video, with their face fully identifiable, their fingerprints all over the blood scene, and they walk straight into a police station afterwards to confess. A defense lawyer with a client who confessed on video has an extremely difficult jo…

Your last paragraph was my point. The incompetence of the investigation left a chance at trial even though there was a taped confession. If the investigation had been just workmanlike or followed basic protocols I cant imagine any defense attorney would have wanted to take it to trial. Though perhaps they still didn’t want that but their client demanded it. I of course couldn’t know that.

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Re: More people are getting away with murder

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Your last paragraph was my point. The incompetence of the investigation left a chance at trial even though there was a taped confession. If the investigation had been just workmanlike or followed basic protocols I cant imagine any defense attorney would have wanted to take it to trial. Though perhaps they still didn’t want that but their client demanded it. I of course couldn’t know that.

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He was there at this trial, and served on the jury. The entire affair is an abstraction to you. You can't high-horse this; it doesn't even make sense to.

Re: More people are getting away with murder

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It's so common that police have a special term for it: testilying https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/18/nyregion/testilying-polic...

I thought we already had a word for it: "perjury"

See but that refers to something illegal and nothing that cops do is illegal
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