Not trying to be flip here, but isn't this kinda like the Bible verifying that indeed, the Bible is true?
Research finds no gender bias in academic science
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Re: Research finds no gender bias in academic science
#112“It’s important to get a grip on what’s going on today and not what was going on in 1985,” Amen. Some don’t agree though. They say we should favor historically mistreated groups because it’s important context. Yet, in higher ed this often entails favoring the child of doctors who will help diversity numbers over the poor white male. I believe the culture wars would decrease dramatically if we’d drop the identity poli…
The main reason the USA is less "help the poor" than Europe, is because some of the poor in America were non-WASP, and, well I'll let President Lyndon B Johnson say it:
> "If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you."
Re: Research finds no gender bias in academic science
#113Earlier quoted context omitted.
The specific quote given, however, is not from your link but from Pathways to Inequality: Between-District Segregation and Racial Disparities in School District Expenditures [0]. >From this table, we can see that on average, both Black and Latinx total per pupil expenditures exceed White total per pupil expenditures by $229.53 and $126.15, respectively. That being the case it is possible that GP simply means to bring…
Also from the article you quote: "We find that as Black–White racial segregation increases over time, total per pupil expenditures and other per pupil expenditures shift in ways that disfavor the typical Black student’s district relative to the typical White student’s district. We also find that Latinx–White segregation is associated with a relative shift of per pupil infrastructure expenditures that disfavors the ty…
Not really. That quote alone could simply mean that as already black-majority schools become more black, that is, "increases of time," they get less total funding. But that doesn't mean that total per pupil expenditures of majority black schools are lower than white ones. In fact that would directly contradict that "on average, both Black and Latinx total per pupil expenditures exceed White total per pupil expenditures by $229.53 and $126.15, respectively" which is stated explicitly rather than "shift in ways that disfavor the typical Black student’s district relative to the typical White student’s district" which is ambiguous. I didn't read the whole paper but this quote alone doesn't mean anything. The fact is that black schools get more money according to that study.
Re: Research finds no gender bias in academic science
#114“It’s important to get a grip on what’s going on today and not what was going on in 1985,” Amen. Some don’t agree though. They say we should favor historically mistreated groups because it’s important context. Yet, in higher ed this often entails favoring the child of doctors who will help diversity numbers over the poor white male. I believe the culture wars would decrease dramatically if we’d drop the identity poli…
The main reason the USA is less "help the poor" than Europe, is because some of the poor in America were non-WASP, and, well I'll let President Lyndon B Johnson say it: > "If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you."
And the politicians are still dividing us by race so we'll ignore wealth and privilege, but now the message is "help the historically disadvantaged minorities" instead of "help the poor".
That's certainly an improvement over past behavior but it still leaves millions of poor people shivering in the cold.
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#115Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is daft. Treating wealth as a measure of poverty wouldn’t work. Think about why. It pretends families don’t exist. Total non-starter.
So, if someone has a low or nonexistent income and vast inherited wealth, you would consider them to be poor?
If wealth were useable as a metric for poverty it would be used. It’s not. We define poverty based on income. Not because nobody has ever thought about it in the same lucid terms as yourself, nor is it because the prevailing ethnic group or class has selected their preferred definition and nobody can change it. Wealth that is not realized is sort of meaningless. Are the people of Venezuela wealthy? But they possesses all that oil. See the problem?
Re: Research finds no gender bias in academic science
#116Earlier quoted context omitted.
Can you cite a source for the statement in second paragraph? I'm not from the states, but to my limited understanding, funding for school comes primarily from district and state level and in the form of property tax. Meaning rich areas have enormous advantage. Meanwhile the federal proportion of the funding for a school is less than 10% [1] [1] https://youtu.be/VZx-rLoV4do timestamp 3:00
Yeah that’s my understanding of the situation. Additionally, politically governmental funding of schools stagnates while richer areas use funding drives to make up for it (in addition to the difference in property taxes already making a huge difference). Additionally, when the wealthy live in an area without the aggregate property taxes covering the school costs (eg because local governments slash funding anyway) the…
while yes the wealthy just move their kids to privet schools they have to pay for that out of pocket while still contributing taxes to the public school system which also now doesn't have to pay toward the privetly schooled child.
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#117Earlier quoted context omitted.
Merit scholarships run the gamut. I typically don’t bucket merit scholarships in with financial aid because it is often need blind. And while there are probably few if any explicit scholarships for white students there are several that have never gone to anything but. Lots of organizational scholarships where nearly everyone in the org is white. Or even large orgs that tilt heavily white such as DAR and the Elks Lodg…
There are 0 merit scholarships available to whites. All scholarships at the major state universities in my state have a race based restriction. So the scholarships aren’t merit, or , but race + merit, presumably to help filter out and select applicants. I was shocked when I found this information; I assumed that most states had race-blind merit scholarships, but that isn’t the case I guess.
What state are you in?
Re: Research finds no gender bias in academic science
#118Not trying to be flip here, but isn't this kinda like the Bible verifying that indeed, the Bible is true?
If this was one group studying itself, maybe. Academia is big and has frequent disagreements about itself. Treat it as one group studying another.
(Though one can still make mistakes and misrepresent data when not studying oneself, obviously.)
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#119Earlier quoted context omitted.
This guys argument is based on a meta-analysis which has nothing at all to do with the argument he is making. The meta analysis in question ( https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED610568.pdf ) is talking about how different research techniques measure data in different ways and therefore can't be easily compared. He then takes a look at this data, determines that it means interventions don't work very well (he doesn't…
The specific quote given, however, is not from your link but from Pathways to Inequality: Between-District Segregation and Racial Disparities in School District Expenditures [0]. >From this table, we can see that on average, both Black and Latinx total per pupil expenditures exceed White total per pupil expenditures by $229.53 and $126.15, respectively. That being the case it is possible that GP simply means to bring…
Indeed, I like to quote my facts from people I disagree with (especially ideologically).
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#120Earlier quoted context omitted.
> It's not even that hard. Make taxation more progressive, and give extra funding to neighbourhoods and schools in poorer parts of the country/cities. I don't see any reason why European style model couldn't work well also in the US. You realise that almost all of Europe is poorer than the US? Yes, you can make people more equal by making the rich poor as well. But what's the point? Btw, in the US schools in poorer p…
Someone refuted the point of the substack you posted above: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35763622
See the rest of that discussions. It's not refuted at all.