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I had a power strip which had "works with windows 95" on the packaging box.
Did it work with 98?
The hype around Windows 95 at the time was... incredible. Midnight store openings, hours-long line waits... insanity.
I have huge respect for Doug Crockford, and I never imagined I would disagree with him. However I think by now we've seen that a lot of that "unnecessary" XML complexity was not, in fact, entirely unnecessary. These days we use JSON for everything, but now we've got JSON Schema, Swagger/OpenAPI, Zod, etc etc. It's not really simpler and there's a lot of manual work - we might as well be using XML, XSD & SOAP/WSDL.
Uh... do we? I've never used any of those. Plain JSON has always worked fine for me.
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JSON is great, but I surely wish it supported comments. That's the nature of its failings: too minimal.
That depends on what you want it to be. For a data interchange format, having no comments is arguably a strength. For a config file format, having no comments is a big weakness.
What if I hate both formats? XML is overly verbose, while JSON isn't specific enough or precise enough for a lot of my needs. - This message brought to you by TOML gang
Absolutely agree. TOML is far and away the best for config files.
apiVersion = "v1"
current-context = ""
kind = "Config"
[[clusters]]
name = "my-cluster"
[clusters.cluster]
certificate-authority-data = "LS0tL..."
server = "https://example.com"
[[contexts]]
name = "context0"
[contexts.context]
cluster = "my-cluster"
user = "my-user"
[[contexts]]
name = "context1"
[contexts.context]
cluster = "my-cluster"
user = "my-user"
[[users]]
name = "my-user"
[users.user]
[users.user.exec]
apiVersion = "client.authentication.k8s.io/v1beta1"
args = ["eks", "get-token"]
command = "aws"Not so different from today. That quote is about HyperCard, not JS, by the way.
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I had a power strip which had "works with windows 95" on the packaging box.
This is just an example of how marketing knows nothing about the products they are marketing, or are just flat out snake oil sales. Like packaging for bacon exclaiming "gluten free"
Or it is a question that people who are not familiar with technology will ask frequently and makes no sense to people who are.
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> I started my career during peak XML crazy and while I liked parts of it at the time, the number of things it was used for was quite insane. I had to maintain a system once where a major part of it was XSLT, when could have just been a simple imperative algo with some config settings. Same here. XML was going to save the world! Remember XML data islands with data embedded in page source and displayed via XSLT? The c…
Nowadays you have the same type of tools, only for YAML. Not sure if that's so much better.
Even C# just punts on this issue and won't emit valid XML if a string you serialize happens to have a null character in it.
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With XML, the complexity is the baseline, and it only goes up from there. With JSON, the complexity is just an option, the baseline is pretty simple. Also, good XML-tools are rare or expensive.
Baseline for XML would be a document that doesn't use schemas, namespaces, attributes, or any of the SGML legacy stuff like DTDs and PCDATA. Such a document is essentially as simple as the equivalent JSON.
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This is just an example of how marketing knows nothing about the products they are marketing, or are just flat out snake oil sales. Like packaging for bacon exclaiming "gluten free"
>This is just an example of how marketing knows nothing about the products they are marketing Or it is a question that people who are not familiar with technology will ask frequently and makes no sense to people who are.
I had a family member ask "will bing work with my yahoo?"
So... I know those words individually, but... man... together, in that order... I don't know how to respond. I think I said something like "don't worry about it - it's not that big a deal" and left it at that.