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Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

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Re: Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

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Can someone very briefly wrap this whole "SF is broken"-situation up for somebody from Europe? I only ever read that it's "because of the policies" and there are lots of rather disturbing videos about SF making its rounds on YouTube. But what exactly happened? Did they just remove all the police? Did they gave out free drugs to everybody? I'm not interested in blaming political parties, I just want to get a quick gra…

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Re: Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

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Can someone very briefly wrap this whole "SF is broken"-situation up for somebody from Europe? I only ever read that it's "because of the policies" and there are lots of rather disturbing videos about SF making its rounds on YouTube. But what exactly happened? Did they just remove all the police? Did they gave out free drugs to everybody? I'm not interested in blaming political parties, I just want to get a quick gra…

In fairness, downtown SF SJ and Oakland were always a tad dicey even back in dot com days so most startups preferred to be in more expensive PA MV

Even East PA was the hood. Oakland was famous for riots

SF governance has always been terrible. Real estate has gotten so expensive that startups anxious to conserve runway are pushing deeper into bad neighborhoods that were once unthinkable

Re: Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

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This is sad news, but as much as I am a critic of SF’s policies around homelessness and drugs, it is not a dangerous city that someone will get murdered. SF has one of the lowest homicide rates of big cities. For some perspective, Oakland has half the population of SF and almost 3x the murder rate https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/pictures/murder-map-deadliest-u-...

That Oakland is a really, really, really dangerous city does not preclude the reality of San Francisco's increasing lawlessness.

The “It’s not hot today because hell is hotter” argument.

Re: Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

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I lived a block from here prior to Covid, and I would've called this a safe part of town. Honestly incredible there was a stabbing there. My condolences to the family. The guy was too young.

Unfortunately even in safer areas there are predators out looking for prey at 2:35 a.m., especially in places where crime is now epidemic.

Nothing good ever happens at 2:35 in the morning.

Re: Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

#115

Can someone very briefly wrap this whole "SF is broken"-situation up for somebody from Europe? I only ever read that it's "because of the policies" and there are lots of rather disturbing videos about SF making its rounds on YouTube. But what exactly happened? Did they just remove all the police? Did they gave out free drugs to everybody? I'm not interested in blaming political parties, I just want to get a quick gra…

SF homicide rate is close to the national average.

Re: Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

#116

Can someone very briefly wrap this whole "SF is broken"-situation up for somebody from Europe? I only ever read that it's "because of the policies" and there are lots of rather disturbing videos about SF making its rounds on YouTube. But what exactly happened? Did they just remove all the police? Did they gave out free drugs to everybody? I'm not interested in blaming political parties, I just want to get a quick gra…

> I just want to get a quick grasp of what exactly has happened TLDR: there are far fewer consequences for crime now in large cities like SF, NY, LA. The results are as expected.

I think GP was looking for at least a bit more context. How did it come to pass that there are fewer consequences for crime in SF?

Re: Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

#117

Can someone very briefly wrap this whole "SF is broken"-situation up for somebody from Europe? I only ever read that it's "because of the policies" and there are lots of rather disturbing videos about SF making its rounds on YouTube. But what exactly happened? Did they just remove all the police? Did they gave out free drugs to everybody? I'm not interested in blaming political parties, I just want to get a quick gra…

They have stopped prosecuting repeat offenders, and reduced the size of the police force

People are slowly realizing that it was a mistake, but its gonna take some time to fix the situation.

Re: Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

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Funny how people try so hard to show/prove/argue that SF is safe. If it was, these discussions wouldn’t exist. You won’t see these threads about Zurich, just saying.

For Zurich this might be true, but there are definitely examples of European cities where the safety debate happens regularly (at least in my personal circles). Brussels and Paris come to mind with their explicit no-go zones and Naples and Rome are notorious for their pickpockets. Even Honest Guide[1], which is the main guide for my city, has half of its' videos dedicated to scams.

[1]: https://www.youtube.com/@HONESTGUIDE

Re: Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

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Can someone very briefly wrap this whole "SF is broken"-situation up for somebody from Europe? I only ever read that it's "because of the policies" and there are lots of rather disturbing videos about SF making its rounds on YouTube. But what exactly happened? Did they just remove all the police? Did they gave out free drugs to everybody? I'm not interested in blaming political parties, I just want to get a quick gra…

> I just want to get a quick grasp of what exactly has happened TLDR: there are far fewer consequences for crime now in large cities like SF, NY, LA. The results are as expected.

“After reaching a peak of 1,115 per 100,000 residents in 1992, California’s violent crime rate steadily fell, reaching a 50-year low of 392 in 2014.”

“While the violent crime rate has fluctuated year-over-year, it has remained relatively stable this past decade—between 428 and 466, hovering near its 2010 level (440), when California embarked on major criminal justice reforms.”

“While violent and property crime rates increased in 2021, both remain relatively low”

https://www.ppic.org/publication/crime-trends-in-california/

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