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Tesla ordered to pay more than $3M to former worker in racism suit

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Re: Tesla ordered to pay more than $3M to former worker in racism suit

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Post by kjksf »

culi wrote: post #83
Animats wrote: post #68

It's amazing how big the settlements are for discrimination lawsuits vs. other labor law violations. Wage and hour violations get a slap on the wrist. Safety violations seldom cost a company more than a few thousand dollars unless someone is killed, and even then payments rarely exceed 5 figures.

how much did Musk pay to get to force the founders of Tesla to allow Musk to say he was a cofounder? Reputation is hard to maintain but something you can buy

Nothing (except lawyers fees).

It was Eberhard who sued Musk trying to get the courts to declare that only he and Tarpenning can be called co-founders of Tesla.

And that backfired because the judge declared that, actually, Musk and JB. Straubel are also co-founders of Tesla.

https://www.tesla.com/blog/judge-strikes-claim-who-can-be-de...

Re: Tesla ordered to pay more than $3M to former worker in racism suit

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Post by notch898a »

nine_k wrote: post #108
throwmeaway1212 wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some people think racism is bad, and that doing bad things should have some kind of repercussions and that companies have responsibilities around what happens in the workplace. Shocking I know.

Racism created so many problems in the US, including a devastating civil war with 2M casualties, that what seems like an over-reaction is understandable. It's the "nuke it from the orbit" option. Yes, nuking things from the orbit does have downsides, if you ask me. But if this imperfect tool is something that reliably prevents a new crop of Jim Crow laws, I can tolerate some fallout. (If you think that people are now…

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Re: Tesla ordered to pay more than $3M to former worker in racism suit

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Post by sschueller »

kjksf wrote: post #111
culi wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

how much did Musk pay to get to force the founders of Tesla to allow Musk to say he was a cofounder? Reputation is hard to maintain but something you can buy

Nothing (except lawyers fees). It was Eberhard who sued Musk trying to get the courts to declare that only he and Tarpenning can be called co-founders of Tesla. And that backfired because the judge declared that, actually, Musk and JB. Straubel are also co-founders of Tesla. https://www.tesla.com/blog/judge-strikes-claim-who-can-be-de...

You can't cite Tesla's blog as a credible source when that specific site still contains blatent lies and falsehoods such as FSD.

Re: Tesla ordered to pay more than $3M to former worker in racism suit

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Post by bryanrasmussen »

Animats wrote: post #68

It's amazing how big the settlements are for discrimination lawsuits vs. other labor law violations. Wage and hour violations get a slap on the wrist. Safety violations seldom cost a company more than a few thousand dollars unless someone is killed, and even then payments rarely exceed 5 figures.

Discrimination lawsuits in the US are supposed to be torts I believe, which is what allows you to have these big settlements (think McDonalds coffee too hot, that was a tort) I would think that Safety violations may also be torts - but probably not all the time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tort

Re: Tesla ordered to pay more than $3M to former worker in racism suit

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Post by Erem »

ethicalsmacker wrote: post #107
flandish wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because no where is that kind of behavior acceptable; workplace included. Tesla’s role is to provide a safe workplace. Failure to do so deserves penalty. This is not hard to grok: worker safety is more important than the corp. Safety includes all aspects. Including mental health.

No one is saying the behavior is acceptable. I'm thinking if I were a company, I'd be pretty keen on replacing humans with AI as soon as possible.

> I'm thinking if I were a company, I'd be pretty keen on replacing humans with AI as soon as possible.

Which is to say little. That would be true whether discrimination law existed or not!

Re: Tesla ordered to pay more than $3M to former worker in racism suit

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Post by WalterBright »

glenngillen wrote: post #101
Animats wrote: post #68

It's amazing how big the settlements are for discrimination lawsuits vs. other labor law violations. Wage and hour violations get a slap on the wrist. Safety violations seldom cost a company more than a few thousand dollars unless someone is killed, and even then payments rarely exceed 5 figures.

I’m way out of my area of expertise here, so posting this comment mostly in the hope to solicit someone who is more knowledgeable to expand on it… A commenter on a previous post a few months ago pointed out that different countries/legal systems have different approaches that I think they may have referred to as punitive vs restorative? And even in systems with both, certain classes of crimes may only be able to appr…

It also sends a signal to unscrupulous people who file baseless lawsuits looking for a jackpot settlement.

Re: Tesla ordered to pay more than $3M to former worker in racism suit

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Post by KennyBlanken »

BenSahar wrote: post #53
Teever wrote: post #45

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It’s a cult of personality created by 10+ years of fawning press coverage.

It's also his bullying and bigotry.

He's admired by a lot of people who have gotten into trouble for saying bigoted things, who felt that there was nothing wrong with what they said or did (scroll up to see someone complaining that this is about "getting offended by some words and a picture") or refuse to acknowledge concepts like systemic racism...and think they were wronged. Victims of liberals, wokeness, "PC police" and so on.

They see him saying the same sort of things they did, and mistake the ability of an oligarch to escape consequences for almost anything...for "courage" and "free thinking."

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