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The Pro starts with 16 GB of RAM.
The 13 inch starts with 8.
That 13" model is so confusing. It's such a bad buy in many ways compared to the 14"
Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales
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Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales
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Speaking as someone who has and uses an M2 Macbook Air with 8GB RAM, I agree it's not a lot but it's more than sufficient for any use case a Macbook Air would generally see. This literally isn't Windows where 32GB of RAM is the new minimum. I will say the Macbook Pro really should start from 16GB RAM and at least 1TB SSD; it's for professionals, isn't it?
You don’t need 32GB of RAM to run Windows…
No, but you do to run the things you're running Windows for.
Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales
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Baseline models are relatively affordable but they charge about 5x more for memory and storage than the prices of corresponding PC parts. That's been their trick for decades but it seems like the multiplier has been getting higher lately? $800 + tax for a 2TB SSD is insane.
The base prices have also gone up. Base M1 MacBook Air was about 1100€ new and could even be found for pretty good discounts (I bought one new for 880€). But the base M2 MacBook Air is 1400€.
Is the M1 Air still being sold? It still is in the US. If so, at what price? That is the relevant figure to compare.
In the US, M1 Air is 8GB/256GB for $1,000 and 16GB/512GB for $1,400. I think those are the same prices from original release. And so due to decreasing purchasing power of USD since 2020, they have gotten cheaper.
Edit: yes, the M1 Air has the same nominal price as when it was released 2.5 years ago:
https://9to5mac.com/2020/11/10/new-macbook-air-apple-silicon...
Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales
#114I was just buying a laptop for my family and the prices of MacBooks here in Europe are utterly crazy. The crappiest 8GB RAM (?!) 256SSD M2 Air model is 1650EUR. 1650EUR for a laptop that won't have enough ram to run the browser in two years. The 16GB model is rounded 2000EUR, which was before reserved for a high-end gaming laptops. It's bonkers.
Meanwhile a lenovo is 800 EUR for a 11th gen i5, 16GB RAM and a 3050ti. As someone with a value investing mindset, I personally can't find the extra value for double the money in macs.
Just looking at spec sheets, you won't find the value. It's in everything that's hard to measure but provides real benefit.
Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales
#115In my case, I feel that Apple has priced itself out of the EU market with the latest Macs and iDevices. The new base M2 Air begins at €1500 after taxes which is genuinely an absurd amount of money to ask for a device that comes with 8 GB and 256 GB of non-replaceable ram and ssd respectively. The cheapest iPhone 14 starts at a bit over €1000. My plan is to keep my entry-level M1 Air for a few more years and then I'm…
>The cheapest iPhone 14 starts at a bit over €1000.
The cheapest iPhone they sell you is the SE, a phone with a low-res, dim display, that's worse than what Android phones had 10 years ago (have the SE from work and my dusty old 2012 Samsung Note 2's OLED display just blows it out of the water), all starting at a whopping 549 Euros, more than my rent.
Apple's pricing is just nuts in Europe. For up to 399 I might give it a pass, but at 549 they're just taking the mickey.
The iPad 9 was also a pretty good deal at ~380 Euros until they replaced it with the iPad 10 at ~540 Euros. Absolutely mental. It fells they're pulling "an Nvidia" on us and just jacking up the prices for no reason.
Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales
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A lot of finger-pointing at price in this thread (or how the M1 captured new MacBook sales) but I would be more worried about the segment in general. I think we've all seen a trend among users away from general-purpose PC's and toward phones and/or tablets. My bigger fear is that the rest of us, like some kind of ham radio enthusiasts, are going to become a dwindling market segment that fewer and fewer computer compa…
PC and laptop sales exploded during the pandemic. It's clear that these devices absolutely have their place and aren't going anywhere. I know it's popular to be contrarian, but sometimes the obvious answer actually is the answer. When you're facing double digit inflation in much of Europe and the Euro is falling against the USD, a 1650 Euro price tag for an entry level device simply isn't realistic.
Isn't the euro currently gaining on the dollar? It was heavily down last year, but except for a small recovery--which is mostly already gone again--the chart I was just looking at shows the dollar falling, not the euro...
Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales
#118In my case, I feel that Apple has priced itself out of the EU market with the latest Macs and iDevices. The new base M2 Air begins at €1500 after taxes which is genuinely an absurd amount of money to ask for a device that comes with 8 GB and 256 GB of non-replaceable ram and ssd respectively. The cheapest iPhone 14 starts at a bit over €1000. My plan is to keep my entry-level M1 Air for a few more years and then I'm…
The M2 air for me is working more as a means for me to talk myself into getting an M1 Pro 14" than anything else.
Creating a mental process like this: - "I'd like an M1 Pro 14, but it's too expensive" - "A 16GB M1 Air would more than suffice and they're now at okayish prices refurbished" - "Oh! there's a new M2 Air and it's like a pretty nice middle point between the M1 Air and the M1 Pro" - "Oh wait, 16GB is only a few hundred less than an M1 Pro" - "...I guess I should just splash out and get the M1 Pro??"
I'm probably still just gonna get an M1 Air when I need to instead but the amount of time I've entertained getting an M2 Air versus using it to compare against alternatives on either side has been absolutely minimal.
My work M1 Pro has drastically improved my quality of life so I'm not entertaining anything other than Apple, but the M2 is decidedly underwhelming comparing to the seismic shift that was the M1.
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The euro has actually recovered about 10% from its low last year. The problem is Apple’s pricing strategy. Very static and never sacrificing not even a little bit of margin.
Apparently has not been a problem for shareholders.
Then I guess with this headline it finally is.
Though I'd argue that has hurt shareholders for far longer, they just didn't notice it as drastically.
Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales
#120M1 generation was so good that it prompted way more users to jump to it; that demand would spread over multiple generations if it was not so good. On the other hand purposefully gimping M1 would gimp ARM adoption. By delivering great performance, they've build up a lot of goodwill - people willingly port their stuff to macs.
I'm on an M1 MacBook Pro, and had to check settings to remember it's almost three years old. Zero issues, performs wonderfully, probably going to keep for at least another two.
Also using the 2020 M1 as a work laptop. If you stuck the internals in to the new case and told me its the 2023 model, I wouldn't notice it wasn't brand new.