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Compostable fast-food packaging can emit volatile PFAS

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Re: Compostable fast-food packaging can emit volatile PFAS

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Post by anonymouskimmer »

noreiley wrote: post #59

> Packaging manufacturers typically don’t reveal what’s in their products It seems crazy to me that they don't have to disclose this. If it's in contact with the food, it will leak into the food and then in our system. We have food ingredients listed on stickers, why not packaging materials? I can understand keeping secrets about the manufacturing process in the name of competitive capitalism, but at the end of the d…

It's kind of ridiculous that non-disclosure allows 'trade secret' protection of ingredients when, as you say, a lab can tell us the actual ingredients and relative quantities.

We should require disclosure for trade secret protection of chemically-based products. At least to the EPA or FDA. They can still keep the actual recipe and blending instructions secret.

Re: Compostable fast-food packaging can emit volatile PFAS

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Post by xboxnolifes »

dangwhy wrote: post #58
tectonic wrote: post #7

Just. Stop. Putting. Teflon. On. Everything. Figuring out what does and does not have PFAS on it to protect my family is exhausting and infuriating. I’ve emailed with manufacturers, sent stuff to labs; basically, no one seems to know how much materials like this are used on every day products.

can someone recommend a pan to make eggs in the morning without sticking or having to put tons of grease.

Ceramic pans.

Re: Compostable fast-food packaging can emit volatile PFAS

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Post by gtop3 »

jiggywiggy wrote: post #99
agtech_andy wrote: post #30

The reality is that US regulatory agencies have been extremely permissive for many years. Many other nations piggy back on their findings. We need a massive increase in enforcement. What we will see with cheaper and more available testing is that PFAS are everywhere. It is hard to find waterways or soils, even in remote areas, that are not contaminated. It is really tragic and the extent of the pollution can make you…

It will cause things to move much slower. But I'm thinking we are at the point where we need to move to burden of proof to being safe instead of it being unsafe.

I don't think proof is the right word. It's impossible to prove something is safe.

Re: Compostable fast-food packaging can emit volatile PFAS

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Post by zerocrates »

photonbeam wrote: post #17
ericpauley wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not bashing the conclusion, but I seriously thought it was common knowledge that Oral B glide and equivalent products were PTFE based. It’s also annoying that people lump PTFE with other PFAS when it is pretty clearly less of an issue (note: not completely trouble free) in most cases.

‘Common’? I suspect a sampling of random people on the street would approximate closer to zero

It used to be a big selling point of Glide that it's made with Teflon/Gore-Tex: it was originally made by Gore and had the Gore logo right on the package.

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Post by floren »

crazygringo wrote: post #90
dangwhy wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

can someone recommend a pan to make eggs in the morning without sticking or having to put tons of grease.

If you don't want a non-stick pan? Just use a stainless steel pan and a pat of butter. There's no option to not use fat/oil if you don't want non-stick. Cast-iron is not a great choice for eggs because it holds too much heat, so if your temperature goes too high up you can't bring it back down quick enough and your eggs will crisp/burn. And both cast-iron and carbon steel are a pain to maintain (keep seasoned and avo…

The other day I tried making scrambled eggs in my cast iron pan for the first time in years. Turns out that years of use had finally got it to the point where the eggs actually cooked beautifully without sticking at all! I used butter, of course, but I'd have used the same amount of butter in any pan.

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Post by coryrc »

fhackenberger wrote: post #87
dangwhy wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

can someone recommend a pan to make eggs in the morning without sticking or having to put tons of grease.

You can create a perfect non-sticky surface on cast iron pans like this: - clean well with strong soap and a metal sponge until it's one smooth silver surface - put a few drops of flax oil on a paper and rub the pan with it (also inner sides) - take off all excessive oil with a dry kitchen paper - remove any non-metal handles from the pan - open your windows - heat your oven to the max and put the pan in for about 20…

Flax oil had been debunked over and over again. Just use canola.

Re: Compostable fast-food packaging can emit volatile PFAS

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Post by tfourb »

gtop3 wrote: post #113
jiggywiggy wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It will cause things to move much slower. But I'm thinking we are at the point where we need to move to burden of proof to being safe instead of it being unsafe.

I don't think proof is the right word. It's impossible to prove something is safe.

Of course you can proof the safety of a chemical compound for human consumption (at least to the best of current technical abilities and within an acceptable margin of error). This is done for i.e. drugs thousands of times each year. Yes it costs money and time, but that is about the only serious objection. You could also go to a risk based model, where the burden of proof for groups of chemical compounds shifts based on experience with similar compounds, potential environmental impact, local and global measurements, etc.

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Post by Ekaros »

nayuki wrote: post #3

Speaking as a complete noob here, what are some alternatives to PFAS linings? Wax? Plant-based plastics?

I actually doubt that plant-based plastics are any better in additives than oil based ones. Wasn't there some years ago whole thing about those reusable "bamboo" polymer coffee cups. That actually they do contained not so beneficial chemicals.

Re: Compostable fast-food packaging can emit volatile PFAS

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Post by ars »

justinator wrote: post #4

PFAS in dental floss: https://www.ehn.org/pfas-floss-2658203711.html

Yah that link is a lie, and I quote: "It’s important to note that our lab is not looking for PFAS compounds directly, because it’s simply impossible to look for all of them."

"levels of organic fluorine, a marker for PFAS" - yah, that's basically an outright lie. Flourine is also a marker for Teflon (PTFE) which is 100% not a problem.

This is junk science taken to it's ultimate level.

Re: Compostable fast-food packaging can emit volatile PFAS

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Post by ars »

ericpauley wrote: post #13
justinator wrote: post #4

PFAS in dental floss: https://www.ehn.org/pfas-floss-2658203711.html

Not bashing the conclusion, but I seriously thought it was common knowledge that Oral B glide and equivalent products were PTFE based. It’s also annoying that people lump PTFE with other PFAS when it is pretty clearly less of an issue (note: not completely trouble free) in most cases.

Lumping PTFE with PFAS is willfully misleading people.

The two might have things in common during manufacturing, but as a final product delivered to a consumer? Utterly different.

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