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The average American has the same life expectancy as the worst part of England

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Re: The average American has the same life expectancy as the worst part of England

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post #69

Race/age correction please...

You want USA to look worse ? If so, by all means, emphasize our racial disparities.

What's worse is that the article breaks it down by race, gender, income etc etc.

Clearly HN user Yeknoda never bothered to read it.

Spoiler Alert:

The disparity persists across all races, ages, and incomes.

Re: The average American has the same life expectancy as the worst part of England

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Sure there will be lots of hypotheses for why this is the case. In my experience, though, you can almost ignore longevity and just look at these sociological differences that make the quality of life better for the English: 1. You could easily argue that frequenting a pub shortens your lifespan, but I just loved "pub culture" when I visited colleagues in England. It's a great antidote to loneliness. 2. You can argue…

It seems pretty likely that the US healthcare decisions at the federal level are to blame. This data suggests it isn't the access to healthcare that is to blame as much as the governance of the entire system is forcing bad outcomes. The effect here is too widespread to be "pub culture".

I could see city planning being a contributor. But the effect is so extreme the place to start is deliberate policy. It would be hard for that to be the case without high-level standardisation on terrible ideas. The US does link healthcare and employment so that might be the root cause; it is a stupid link.

Re: The average American has the same life expectancy as the worst part of England

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post #11

blackpool is the jersey shore of england?

Is Jersey Shore full of bright orange people in cheap "fast fashion" clothing trying to pretend they're on roughly ten times as much money as they really make, who make a big show of ordering "expensive" vodka and flash their platinum credit card around as they chop their 30 quid bag of coke? Then having thoroughly spoiled the weekend for everyone else, they'll pile into their idiotic loud car that they can't really…

Nice :)

Re: The average American has the same life expectancy as the worst part of England

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Sure there will be lots of hypotheses for why this is the case. In my experience, though, you can almost ignore longevity and just look at these sociological differences that make the quality of life better for the English: 1. You could easily argue that frequenting a pub shortens your lifespan, but I just loved "pub culture" when I visited colleagues in England. It's a great antidote to loneliness. 2. You can argue…

Yeah but the country's cursed with stormy weather and it's always cold.

Re: The average American has the same life expectancy as the worst part of England

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post #60
post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not surprised at all. If you compare individual US states to other countries, some parts of the US south have worse healthcare systems than third-world nations. The US is by far the worst health country in the OECD.

I don't think it's really about healthcare. It's about everything else in life, that makes people obese or driven into a life of drugs (meth, etc.). Healthcare doesn't really save you from that.

If you choose to look at drugs from a healthcare perspective, you'll find countries that have had some success....

Re: The average American has the same life expectancy as the worst part of England

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post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US government spends the most in the world on subsidizing corporations for healthcare. There is nothing "socialized" about it. The public in general gets very little of that benefit. And that holds true even if you include Medicare.

I meant only Medicare and Medicaid. The US government spends on Medicare and Medicare more then any other country on healthcare.

Between Medicare, Medicaid, and the VA, there are more Americans with socialized healthcare than Britons in the NHS.

Re: The average American has the same life expectancy as the worst part of England

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post #97

The original article points out that the primary difference between the US and the UK (as well as other peer countries) is that you're much more likely to die young in the US. A 5-year-old in the United States has a 4% chance of dying before age 40, whereas a 5-year-old in Australia, Austria, Canada, England and Wales, France, Germany, the Netherlands, Sweden, or Switzerland has ~1% chance of dying before age 40 (val…

Woah!

Deaths by billion vehicle miles in UK - 5.2. In US - 12.5. (both have tens of thousands of KSI, but the US has over twice as many per cap. In fact, way, more KSI from car accidents than even gun related homicide in the US. I hadn't realized that!)

Deaths by gun related homicide in UK - 200. In US - 20000. (Both numbers pale in comparison to motor vehicle deaths, but there are a lot more in the US. Probably to be expected as there is stringent firearm control in the UK.)

Deaths by drug overdose and poisoning in UK - ~5000. In US - um, yeah, well over 120000 if you count the poisonings too as the UK does. (I'll just say, I think we found one of our major culprits in this one.)

I'm thinking overdoses is a major contributor. It's the only way to get to millions in less than 10 years. Car accidents, maybe, but honestly it's not that much compared to the number of young people who die every year. Ditto, with gun related homicide, which is even less than car accidents.

I know we may not want to talk about it, but I also noticed major numbers in suicides among young people. (More than vehicle accidents and gun related homicides combined in 2021.) Not sure if that's where the parent comment was going though? So I left that out. It could be a contributor though? The numbers are there, which is what you need to impact averages.

My takeaway? Suicides and drug overdoses. Not to be taken lightly.

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