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Grand jury votes to indict Donald Trump

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Re: Grand jury votes to indict Donald Trump

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koolba wrote: post #102
mbgerring wrote: post #55

Nearly the entire point of the United States at its founding was that the law should apply to political leaders. We are overdue for setting the precedent of a former President being charged with a crime, and we ought to go back and charge a few other former Presidents with crimes while we’re at it.

Sure if there’s an actual crime, but what exactly is worthy of charging here? The point of a fair justice system is not to charge a specific someone with something , it’s to go after a specific crime. The legal gymnastics this DA is jumping through to attach charges here makes a joke of the entire justice system. I won’t be surprise if Bragg is disbarred for this.

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Re: Grand jury votes to indict Donald Trump

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Post by bsuvc »

jasoneckert wrote: post #101
bsuvc wrote: post #84

Hacker News is better without unrelated political news.

My knowledge of political events is sparse because I haven't dedicated the time it takes to acquire the prerequisite knowledge. However, I'd be interested in learning more from those here who do have that knowledge and are willing to share perspective on these sort of events. In general, I think it's valuable to be curious about things you're not necessarily interested in.

Everything you say can be true and it doesn't change the fact the HN would be worse because of it.

HN is a place I come to escape the rest of the internet.

I hope it doesn't get ruined by politics, like everything else in the world seems to have been.

Re: Grand jury votes to indict Donald Trump

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Post by edgyquant »

throwawaaarrgh wrote: post #85

Is it weird that I don't care? When he was in office he drove me insane. Now I really couldn't be bothered. I think I'm desensitized to... politics, or justice, or something.

No i think this is a reasonable response. I’ve completely checked out of politics as well after 4 years of trump and two years of a continued culture war.

Re: Grand jury votes to indict Donald Trump

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Post by djha-skin »

To play devil's advocate a little bit. From a structural perspective, it was pretty much impossible for the courts to recruit any jury that wouldn't be biased. Furthermore, the case was in New York, which is a very democratic city. I would be surprised if any jury picked from there wasn't biased and wouldn't have convicted him of any crime the judge put in front of them.

To be perfectly clear, I am not a fan of Donald Trump, and personally think he is likely guilty. I'm just commenting on a specific aspect of the case that I find interesting.

Re: Grand jury votes to indict Donald Trump

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Post by A4ET8a8uTh0 »

photochemsyn wrote: post #67

I think it sets a good precedent. If indicting past presidents (and vice presidents) for crimes committed while in office (or while running for office), well, the courts are going to be busy on this front for years to come. Bush and Cheney are certainly candidates, r.e. those "Saddam has an active WMD program" claims. The list could be expanded to include charges related to the unConstitutional domestic spying progra…

If, somehow, Bush and Cheney are even considered for an investigation, I will gladly support Bragg's effort. That said, can you give me a rough estimate of a chance of that happening in the next decade?

Re: Grand jury votes to indict Donald Trump

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Post by rco8786 »

koolba wrote: post #102
mbgerring wrote: post #55

Nearly the entire point of the United States at its founding was that the law should apply to political leaders. We are overdue for setting the precedent of a former President being charged with a crime, and we ought to go back and charge a few other former Presidents with crimes while we’re at it.

Sure if there’s an actual crime, but what exactly is worthy of charging here? The point of a fair justice system is not to charge a specific someone with something , it’s to go after a specific crime. The legal gymnastics this DA is jumping through to attach charges here makes a joke of the entire justice system. I won’t be surprise if Bragg is disbarred for this.

How can you know this? The indictment hasn’t even been unsealed.

Re: Grand jury votes to indict Donald Trump

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Post by dashundchen »

Scubabear68 wrote: post #58

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People are flagging you but seriously, if you pay attention to state and level GOP politics, the legislative priority of all things is... Banning drag queens? And books that mention anything besides white/cis/straight experiences? Railing against ESG funds? These are the most pressing issues the base think needs to be addressed?

I think these GOP efforts inflict real harm, but the top-priotity obsession against trans people is so strange to me, especially when trans people are a tiny fraction of the whole population.

What happened to being the party of free speech?

I am serious, if someone honestly can explain the GOPs enacted platform outside of being "anti-woke" I'd be interested to hear it. I don't see a vision, I see the mob culture war politics they claim they fighting.

Re: Grand jury votes to indict Donald Trump

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Post by alsaaro »

koolba wrote: post #102
mbgerring wrote: post #55

Nearly the entire point of the United States at its founding was that the law should apply to political leaders. We are overdue for setting the precedent of a former President being charged with a crime, and we ought to go back and charge a few other former Presidents with crimes while we’re at it.

Sure if there’s an actual crime, but what exactly is worthy of charging here? The point of a fair justice system is not to charge a specific someone with something , it’s to go after a specific crime. The legal gymnastics this DA is jumping through to attach charges here makes a joke of the entire justice system. I won’t be surprise if Bragg is disbarred for this.

Remember John Edwards, former Democratic nominee for vice-President, was essentially indicted for the same thing Trump is now, that is using political contributions as hush money. Edwards was facing 30 years for all the charges arraigned against him.

We still don't know the specifics or the extent of Trump's legal issues, as the Grand jury is still ongoing for this case and others.

Re: Grand jury votes to indict Donald Trump

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Post by nickthegreek »

ncallaway wrote: post #105
koolba wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure if there’s an actual crime, but what exactly is worthy of charging here? The point of a fair justice system is not to charge a specific someone with something , it’s to go after a specific crime. The legal gymnastics this DA is jumping through to attach charges here makes a joke of the entire justice system. I won’t be surprise if Bragg is disbarred for this.

It seems wild to make this argument before the indictment has been unsealed. Shouldn’t we wait to see the allegations before we declare them baseless?

Apparently 34 charges.
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