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Re: Adobe Firefly: AI Art Generator

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Post by Pxtl »

wongarsu wrote: post #46
dopeboy wrote: post #11

What this reinforces is that unlike with previous big innovations (cloud, iphone, etc), incumbents will not sit on their laurels with the AI wave. They are aggressively integrating it into their products which (1) provides a relatively cheap step function upgrade and (2) keeps the barrier high for startups to use AI as their wedge. I attribute the speed at which incumbents are integrating AI into their products to a…

Another point is that many of the incumbents have seen the trend for far longer than the general public, and had time to gather inhouse talent. For example this isn't Adobe's first stint into generative AI, back in 2016 they announced (and quietly dropped after the backlash) Adobe VoCo, "photoshop for voice".

Right? Adobe was first to market with properly integrated AI-based photo editing features with stuff like Content Aware Fill back in 2015 iirc.

Re: Adobe Firefly: AI Art Generator

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Post by supermatt »

nickelpro wrote: post #105
supermatt wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I asked if I can learn from that code, which obviously I can. Did you actually read the link you were given? Clean room design is because you may inadvertently plagiarize copyrighted works from your memory of reading it. i.e. the act of reading may cause accidental infringement when implementing the "things you learn"

Sure but the infringement is the problem, not the ideas themselves. You're describing thought crime right now. It's not illegal to learn things.

And if you "learn" something and accidentally rewrite it verbatim? Thats what clean-room design is to protect against

Re: Adobe Firefly: AI Art Generator

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Post by deelowe »

m3kw9 wrote: post #21

This will supercharge artists, it won’t replace them because details matter and when you need to get it just right, you cannot just keep rolling the dice by “prompting better”

I wonder what happens over time as more and more workflows use AI generated content as the starting point? Will all images slowly start looking the same?

Re: Adobe Firefly: AI Art Generator

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Post by mschuster91 »

daveslash wrote: post #96

When I look at older magazines, photos, billboards, and advertisements -- today's world of media is so much more colorful and vibrant than it was in the 60s & 70s. E.g. This [0] vs. this [1]. With the race to the bottom for generating high-quality, scalable, rich and colorful illustrations at almost no cost in massive quantities, I'm envisioning the world is about to get even more colorful and vibrant. [0] https://cd…

> With the race to the bottom for generating high-quality, scalable, rich and colorful illustrations at almost no cost in massive quantities, I'm envisioning the world is about to get even more colorful and vibrant.

Counterpoint: The world may get "more colorful and vibrant", but also it will go toward uniform styles as AI will take all the commercial high-paying jobs and leave all but zero opportunities for actual artists.

Re: Adobe Firefly: AI Art Generator

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Post by ghaff »

daveslash wrote: post #96

When I look at older magazines, photos, billboards, and advertisements -- today's world of media is so much more colorful and vibrant than it was in the 60s & 70s. E.g. This [0] vs. this [1]. With the race to the bottom for generating high-quality, scalable, rich and colorful illustrations at almost no cost in massive quantities, I'm envisioning the world is about to get even more colorful and vibrant. [0] https://cd…

Even pretty routine graphics and illustrations for books and presentations are pretty hard for the average person to do by themselves and there's often no budget to have someone else, whether internal or external to a company, to do them. Tools have improved a lot in the past few decades but it still takes a degree of talent to produce even routine polished work.

Re: Adobe Firefly: AI Art Generator

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Post by curioussavage »

spoiler wrote: post #44
m3kw9 wrote: post #21

This will supercharge artists, it won’t replace them because details matter and when you need to get it just right, you cannot just keep rolling the dice by “prompting better”

Agreed. I think it will decrease iteration time during an exploration phase for new artists or when you're not quite sure what you want and want to explore your idea space more quickly (and maybe even get new ideas as you iterate). It's similar with these coding AIs. A lot of the time it's great for the "blank page" phase of a project where you have to do all the "boring" stuff out of the way. Another great example (…

Im a generalist who has been trying to kick an obsessive habit of perusing tech news and trying new/old tech for 8 years. You made me realize that may be one reason I feel like this tool i have just enough depth in many areas that I’m able to scrutinize the output and it’s making up for the lack of depth all over the place.

Re: Adobe Firefly: AI Art Generator

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Post by zirgs »

judge2020 wrote: post #53
lelandfe wrote: post #50

From that page's FAQs: > trained on a dataset of Adobe Stock, along with openly licensed work and public domain content where copyright has expired > We do not train on any Creative Cloud subscribers’ personal content. For Adobe Stock contributors, the content is part of the Firefly training dataset, in accordance with Stock Contributor license agreements. The first model did not train on Behance. Not sure what "firs…

Still on the fence for whether or not you should be able to opt out of training (I'm sure many artists would love to "opt out" of humans looking at their art if the human intends to, or might, copy the artists' style at some point).

I can train a LORA on my own PC in less than an hour. Good luck opting out of that.

Re: Adobe Firefly: AI Art Generator

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Post by nickelpro »

supermatt wrote: post #112
nickelpro wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure but the infringement is the problem, not the ideas themselves. You're describing thought crime right now. It's not illegal to learn things.

And if you "learn" something and accidentally rewrite it verbatim? Thats what clean-room design is to protect against

Rewriting the code verbatim and distributing it would be a copyright infringement, yes, you do not have a write to distribute code written by other people

That's completely different from reading and learning from code, which is what grondo described.

Clean room design relies on this, in a clean room design you have one party read and describe the protected work, and another party implement it. That first party reading the protected work is learning from closed-source IP.

Re: Adobe Firefly: AI Art Generator

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Post by Filligree »

open-paren wrote: post #81

Adobe employee, not in Creative Cloud. We got access to this in beta a week ago and it was an instant hit across the whole company. This is just the tip of the iceberg and there is a lot of really cool, in-house products around generative AI. The team is going to great lengths to make this ethical and fair (try and generate a photo of a copyrighted character like Hello Kitty or Darth Vader). I'm excited to see the fi…

One of the great aspects of open-source stable diffusion (civitai.com et al.) is there's a model for every purpose.

Does your inpainting model work with every style? Or is it going to have trouble matching the content for e.g. specific fanart?

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