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Maintaining the illusion that the government operates like a household is all part of the economic theatre that underpins much of fiscal and monetary policy. The moment sufficient people realise that money can be created for whatever the government needs, people will start asking why then can it not be created to benefit society in general. It's getting increasingly untenable as people realise that there is always mo…
>> the illusion that the government operates like a household That's one way of putting it, though kind of specific to current discourse. You might also say the "illusion" that a central bank is just a bank. You could say the the "illusion" is that banks are firms, providing financial services for profit like any other type of service. In times past, the "illusion" was that banks are "fully backed and solvent." It's…
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#112Earlier quoted context omitted.
Call it what you will, I care not. It is an opportunity cost you pay in the end.
By that logic a law requiring banks to hire security experts who can keep their systems safe from hackers is also a tax, do you object to that too?
Making an argument that we should all eat this cost to avoid contagion, etc. might hold some water (and the Fed was stuck between a rock and a hard place), but let's not pretend it's not a cost we're all eating, on top of it being an inflationary move.
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#113Earlier quoted context omitted.
Property rights are a creation of law; every person made property within the territory ruled by Britain was enslaved by the British government.
From that it follows that everyone whose property rights were created by the British government owed tax to Britain on that property. Ergo, the American Revolutionaries were in the wrong and the U.S. owes Britain substantial reparations for property theft and non-payment of taxes.
The main reason why it is not commonly seen that way anymore is that history is written by the winners.
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#114See also The Lancet 's updating of their original 1858 obituary of John Snow: > Dr John Snow: This well-known physician died at noon, on the 16th instant, at his house in Sackville Street, from an attack of apoplexy. His researches on chloroform and other anaesthetics were appreciated by the profession. versus the 2013 one: > The journal accepts that some readers may wrongly have inferred that The Lancet failed to re…
It's pedantic to say, but, based on what they said, their original was not incorrect, simply less exhaustive than it could have been. It could (and, seems to) be that the fellow's work on anaesthetics was seen as more important than his work on cholera. Given the (often overlooked) importance of modern anaesthetics, I can easily believe this.
His work on cholera was completely ignored for years and he gave up on trying to convince people about Germ Theory and went back to anaesthetics.
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The money itself is also imaginary. It's just numbers on a ledger that people have agreed on.
No, money is suppose to exist as solid green paper. The value is imaginary but its existence is physical. The bank and government claim that if I want my money they can give me my money in green physical paper bills because it exists in the bank. Problem is that it's a lie. That's why bank runs are possible. And the current bank runs ends with another institution taking over and articulating the same lie.
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/DPSACBW027SBOG>
Total US currency in circulation is ... just over $2 trillion (December 2021):
https://www.uscurrency.gov/life-cycle/data/circulation>
Bank deposits are not all financial wealth, though they're a substantial share of it. Even given that, the facts, from the US Federal Reserve (it runs both FRED and currency.gov), are that there is nearly ten times the amount of financial wealth in bank deposits as there are green pieces of paper representing that wealth.
Federal Reserve Notes are currency used for some forms of financial transactions. They are not equivalent to the total amount of financial wealth, most of which is noted in accounts of various types.
You might also want to familiarise yourself with the various measures of money supply (spoiler: it's not little green men, erm, pieces of paper):
https://www.federalreserve.gov/faqs/money_12845.htm>
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There are a lot more bank deposits than green paper. It's similar to how banknotes originally were 1:1 correlated with physical gold (or whatever) in the vault, then banks realized they could lend out more notes than they have gold in the vault. Very similar situation with electronic vs paper dollars. Most bank deposits are created out of thin air by commercial banks when they make loans. There isn't enough paper mon…
>There are a lot more bank deposits than green paper. That's what I am saying am I not? The bank makes a business claim that they can redeem ALL of the green paper back to everyone at the same time. But I said it's a lie. It's illusion. >Most bank deposits are created out of thin air by commercial banks when they make loans. There isn't enough paper money to cover all those deposits. woosh.
Checks, account transfers, wire transfers, etc.
There is no fundamental limit on the Federal Reserve to create (or destroy) money as needed. The Fed, as other central banks, does however exercise that power very judiciously, and with specific targets (inflation, unemployment) as its foundational charter.
Note that both inflation and unemployment are not assessed by the Fed, but by an independent federal department, Labour. It's a classic instance of not giving a single entity control over both the means of control and the measurement of success.
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#117Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't get it, what's the hypocrisy here?
I think the word "masterly" can be taken as praise, but I don't think that's the way Keynes meant it here.
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#118Earlier quoted context omitted.
All money has value for one reason: because people think it's valuable. It doesn't matter if it's cigarettes in prison, giant stone discs in Micronesia, or bits on a server owned by your bank.
Isn't this just a different way of saying "the value of money is imaginary"? So why repeat what I said?
There's a widespread misperception that money is some physical entity. It is not.
A description I've come to use is that money is the medium of greatest acceptance within a given market or region. Note that money need not be paper notes, coins, or even any sort of government issue. There's an excellent 1945 paper on the economic organisation of a POW camp which describes how an economy based largely on cigarettes and various Red Cross ration items emerged amongst Allied prisoners of Germany during WWII:
https://www.jstor.org/stable/2550133>
In particular, it looks at what problems money can solve (and what happens when there's an insufficient money supply --- in this case, cigarettes), as well as those it cannot (an insufficiency of goods generally to transact).
At various points in time, clams, beaver pelts, cowhides, knives, massive multi-tonne stones (https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2011/02/15/131934618/the-...>), letters of credit, and cryptographic hashes have served as money. In mediaeval Europe, Roman coins were long used in trade, well after the Roman empire itself had fallen. In parts of the world, US dollars are a preferred currency even outside the 50 states and US territories, with several countries officially adopting the US dollar as their own national currency: https://www.investopedia.com/articles/forex/040915/countries...>.
William Stanley Jevons defined what to him were the vital set of properties required of money in Money and the Mechanism of Exchange (1877): utility/value, portability, indestructibility, homogeneity, divisibility, stability, cognixability.
https://archive.org/details/moneyexchange00jevorich/page/30/...>
I disagree with him on the first property. Money may have an intrinsic value (as with gold or specie), but need not. In particular, the intrinsic value of money is inverse to the trust in the monetary authority itself. That is, in a low trust financial system, money typically consists of or is backed by some physical store of value. In a high trust financial system, currency tokens need have no fundamental utility (as with paper banknotes or digital accounts), but rather there is a trust in the system as a whole to function predictably and reliably.
The value represented by money is one that is socially, legally, and economically recognised. It's ultimately a tokenisation of credit and wealth. It is not directly tied to any physical characteristics (though as a medium of exchange it can be traded for any given physical commodity or service). That's not "imaginary" in the same sense that other social conventions such as which side of the road to drive on are not imaginary. Which side to drive on is entirely arbitrary as an initial social choice, but once that side has been chosen there are very real consequences to flouting the convention.
Social construct != imaginary.
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#119Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think the word "masterly" can be taken as praise, but I don't think that's the way Keynes meant it here.
Even if we read it that way, what's the hypocrisy? Was Keynes famously an advocate of public institutions never doing anything deceptive?
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#120Earlier quoted context omitted.
>There are a lot more bank deposits than green paper. That's what I am saying am I not? The bank makes a business claim that they can redeem ALL of the green paper back to everyone at the same time. But I said it's a lie. It's illusion. >Most bank deposits are created out of thin air by commercial banks when they make loans. There isn't enough paper money to cover all those deposits. woosh.
Depositors can be made whole without receiving little green pieces of paper. Checks, account transfers, wire transfers, etc. There is no fundamental limit on the Federal Reserve to create (or destroy) money as needed. The Fed, as other central banks, does however exercise that power very judiciously, and with specific targets (inflation, unemployment) as its foundational charter. Note that both inflation and unemploy…
However, in principal The bank promises redeemable cash, that's why people stay in banks. But it's a lie. Again bank runs exist because of this lie.
Everybody knows the Fed screws it all up. A wire transfer among competing banks would make the competing bank demand that the other bank redeem the transfer in green paper money.
However, because the Fed is the bank of banks, it just becomes number a change on the balance sheet of the fed.