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How to lose $950 quickly on Airbnb

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Re: How to lose $950 quickly on Airbnb

#111
post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have heard of companies reacting to a chargeback in situations like this by banning your account.

So you use another email address next time if you must

And phone number, and fake name and address (you can do very creative things with billing addresses and have it still match - the matching is very fuzzy).

But yes, these companies will lie and break the law when it suits them, no reason to feel bad about giving them a taste of their own medicine.

Re: How to lose $950 quickly on Airbnb

#112
post #6

Charge it back via your bank and explain the situation. Worst case scenario, it gets denied, you don't lose anything either way. The initial misunderstanding was cleared up just one hour after the booking - it should be very reasonable for the host to offer a full refund, it's not like it was a last-minute cancellation where the host would struggle to get it rebooked in time and lose out. The host is clearly being ma…

Getting yourself banned off of Airbnb for $950 doesn't sound optimal unless you are swearing off short term lodging around the world (outside of hotels) for the foreseeable future. That's one of the negative externalities of capture-the-market VC investing - getting banned on one of these platforms cuts you off from almost the entirety of supply because of how marketplace dynamics work.

I would absolutely end any customer relationship with Airbnb for a $950 host scam. If they can’t fix that they don’t deserve your business and you are better off off their platform.

Re: How to lose $950 quickly on Airbnb

#114
post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pretty funny that the 5-star system compresses the actual useful signal into less than 10% of the range.

It’s ridiculous - and Airbnb perpetuate it. If you get a 4.8* or below review, you get a cranky email from Airbnb saying that you suck and red warnings all over the “improvements” section of the admin. It works, just barely, as long as you only book places with like 50 stays and a score in the range I mentioned - which isn’t something you expect your average Joe to realise.

At least historically, eBay was the same. Anything other than Positive: A++++++++++++++++ Fantastic seller meant that they shipped me a cinder block rather than the MacBook I purchased.

>If you get a 4.8* or below review, you get a cranky email from Airbnb saying that you suck and red warnings all over the “improvements” section of the admin.

The one stay I've had at AirBnb--a lovely place in Maui (mostly because the hotels were so expensive and it was nice)--there were at least a couple pleas in the various information about talking to them before leaving anything other than a 5 rating because they might lose their super-host status.

Re: How to lose $950 quickly on Airbnb

#115
I don't understand why anyone would still bother with Airbnb. So many headaches. I've used booking dot com, to reserve real hotels or apartments managed by real professional people, all over the world, for over a decade and counting, and I never had a single issue.

Airbnb is built on evading taxes, skirting the law and exploiting the real estate market to the detriment of the local population AND the traveler. Don't support them.

Re: How to lose $950 quickly on Airbnb

#116
post #6

Charge it back via your bank and explain the situation. Worst case scenario, it gets denied, you don't lose anything either way. The initial misunderstanding was cleared up just one hour after the booking - it should be very reasonable for the host to offer a full refund, it's not like it was a last-minute cancellation where the host would struggle to get it rebooked in time and lose out. The host is clearly being ma…

Getting yourself banned off of Airbnb for $950 doesn't sound optimal unless you are swearing off short term lodging around the world (outside of hotels) for the foreseeable future. That's one of the negative externalities of capture-the-market VC investing - getting banned on one of these platforms cuts you off from almost the entirety of supply because of how marketplace dynamics work.

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Re: How to lose $950 quickly on Airbnb

#117
post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have heard of companies reacting to a chargeback in situations like this by banning your account.

Imagine being banned from Best Western, for example, because you disputed a charge! Having a dispute, especially one which is so reasonable like this, being grounds for banning is insane to me. Companies as large as Airbnb cannot be just banning whoever they want. This whole notion of, we don't agree with you, so we'll just ban you thing has got to stop.

You should not be issuing chargebacks all the time. Most businesses will resolve without resorting to that. Airbnb absolutely failed here.

Re: How to lose $950 quickly on Airbnb

#118
Another notch in the "AirBnB is a totally different experience outside the USA vs inside of it".

Every story I've heard, as well as my personal experience, is that people outside the USA are very customer service oriented, want you to have a good time exploring the place they live, and are generally very attentive and accommodating.

Inside the USA people are just in it as a side hustle. Usually it works out fine, sometimes not so much.

I've never had a bad experience personally, but I've had some pretty amazing experiences outside the USA, but never within it.

(Stuff like hosts buying us groceries ahead of time because they knew we were arriving late, personally showing us around town upon arrival, paying for my offsite parking when my rental car wouldn't fit in the provided garage, etc).

Re: How to lose $950 quickly on Airbnb

#119
I only use Airbnb when I have no other options (no nearby hotel or I have too many people). Which has been a total of three times ever.

It certainly doesn’t make me want to use them more often. Hosts always have insane rules like I basically have to be a full time cleaner and also the only parking is three miles away and I can only eat in exactly one place.

And I always have to live in fear that something will come and I’ll have to cancel and lose 100% of my money. Why is it that hosts can have misleading listings and cancel days in advance while I have no power at all?

Really tells you who Airbnb’s customer is.

Re: How to lose $950 quickly on Airbnb

#120
post #6

Charge it back via your bank and explain the situation. Worst case scenario, it gets denied, you don't lose anything either way. The initial misunderstanding was cleared up just one hour after the booking - it should be very reasonable for the host to offer a full refund, it's not like it was a last-minute cancellation where the host would struggle to get it rebooked in time and lose out. The host is clearly being ma…

An important thing to remember is that the chargeback doesn't necessarily absolve you of the legal need to pay.

Just because the credit card company claws the money back doesn't mean that a merchant can't come after you in court/debt collection.

It's not common, but for a big enough transaction, there's nothing stopping a business from coming after you.

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