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OpenAI is now everything it promised not to be: closed-source and for-profit

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Re: OpenAI is now everything it promised not to be: closed-source and for-profit

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capitalism ruins everything. imagine speed of improvement in AI if everything was open sourced, instead of guarding their little secrets. i hope google get f**, hoarding AI knowledge for years, only got shaken after recent events force them.

> capitalism ruins everything nah, capitalism is a great driver of progress > imagine speed of improvement in AI if everything was open sourced you mean, how Linux's year of the desktop has yet to come. open source is not a panacea for every problem.

> nah, capitalism is a great driver of progress

yes, in terms of angel investment and investors willing to make risky bets but also "super-no" in terms of publicly traded organisations, The worst excesses of the market just plays "number goes up" via price gouging or rent seeking while using their "at any cost" capital to buy out any emerging competition and transforming it into the same dire pattern.

In practice I would argue that any system has its positives and negatives and the top end (publicly traded organisations) of the American system can be quite disgusting at times by taking solid business models and squeezing them until they're a former shell of themselves. All while stripping back further investment or maintenance and ignoring every warning or employee protest until the trains fall off the tracks and poison an entire town.

Re: OpenAI is now everything it promised not to be: closed-source and for-profit

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I find it a little odd that Elon seems to take a swipe at OpenAI any opportunity he gets. If he cares so much about them not making money, maybe he should have put his twitter cash there instead? It's reassuring to me that the two people running policy work at the big AI "startups", Jack Clark (Anthropic) and Miles Brundage (OpenAI, who was hired by Jack iirc), are genuinely good humans. I've known Jack for 10 years…

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Re: OpenAI is now everything it promised not to be: closed-source and for-profit

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I like that the corporate bullshit just keeps getting more. Google’s “don’t be evil” is many steps down from openai having open in their name.

They should be called OpenAI with (not open) in small print.

I argue a lot over “open source” software with non-OSI license and sometimes worry if I’m too pedantic. But I think it’s important to use terms accurately and not to confuse reality more than it already is by calling stuff that’s not one thing by that thing’s name.

I wonder if google and openai truly started out with these ideals and were just corrupted and overpowered by standard organizational greed. Or it was always bullshit.

Re: OpenAI is now everything it promised not to be: closed-source and for-profit

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

"OpenAI was created as an open source (which is why I named it “Open” AI), non-profit company to serve as a counterweight to Google, but now it has become a closed source, maximum-profit company effectively controlled by Microsoft. Not what I intended at all." - Elon You can think what you want of Elon, but he is in the right here.

He is definitely right there. At this point, I consider OpenAI partially acquired by Microsoft, since it is almost majority controlled by them. It is essentially a Microsoft AI division. It is similar to what Microsoft did with Facebook in the early days of slowing acquiring a stake in the company. But this is an aggressive version of that with OpenAI. What you have now is the exact opposite of their original goals i…

Yeah I'm sure $massive_megacorp with a monopoly on $critical_technology has our best interests at heart. Doesn't anybody read sci-fi anymore??

Re: OpenAI is now everything it promised not to be: closed-source and for-profit

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Can anyone comment on how the actual structure is setup? I was under the impression that there was still an OpenAI non-profit that controls the OpenAI "capped profit" company. Microsoft has/is acquiring 49% of the capped profit company, so doesn't that leave 51% in control of the non-profit? Am I way off on their structure?

Re: OpenAI is now everything it promised not to be: closed-source and for-profit

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When I realized that OpenAI is not open source, you knew it wasn't gone be open in any sense. How can you in 2010s start a thing with the name 'Open' and then not have it be Open Source.

The OpenDWG Alliance (1998) e.g. https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Design_Alliance (since 2002) The Open was a joke even then, but they publish a DWG design spec for free at least, spec'ed with about 50% of their internal parser.

Hence the need for LibreDWG https://www.gnu.org/software/libredwg/

Yes I know you know rurban! I'm linking for the rest of HN :-)

BTW I want to merge your solvespace integration this year, and hopefully dump libdxfrw entirely ;-)

Re: OpenAI is now everything it promised not to be: closed-source and for-profit

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Unfortunately all of those have their own ethical issues, commercial corruption is not the only challenge to well-intentioned initiatives when meeting scale.

What are some unethical things about Wikipedia or archive.org?

Bias, gatekeeping and cliques on Wikipedia, overreach wrt rights law with archive.org immediately come to mind as things discussed before on HN, there are no doubt other problems.

Re: OpenAI is now everything it promised not to be: closed-source and for-profit

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It has become evident that placing one's trust in mainstream media is an exercise in futility, as they are often found to be biased in their reporting against tech. Elon Musk's claim regarding the algorithm flaw resulting in his de-ranking was indeed accurate. The feature was intended to lower the ranking of frequently being blocked accounts. However, the flaw was that it did not account for larger accounts, allowing…

What’s mainstream media in this case? The Verge, a web-only publication that only writes about tech? Seems like stretching the definition beyond any usefulness…

Your question is quite intriguing. In my view, mainstream media refers to media organisations that are prominent in the current cultural and political environment.

In my opinion, these organisations have largely turned against the tech industry, perceiving it as a competitor and a generally negative force.

For instance, The Verge is owned by Vox, which I personally consider with all due respect an extremely biased leftist institution that has increasingly engaged in activist journalism in recent times.

In my opinion, The Verge has changed significantly since 2015/2016 and is now unrecognizable.

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