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and keep data on actual SQL server? No thanks, only boomers do it.
Mongodb works for every problem no need for any old database server.
Until you want to change your schema
Four ways to build web apps
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#112Learning dozens specific cloud services and shelling out money everywhere I go is way less appealing to me than buying a cheap dedicated server and firing up exactly what I need. It'll take me far longer to figure out what FarGate and Cloudflare Pages and all these are and infinitely longer to keep up with the latest and greatest because it keeps changing constantly. And even once I get it, I'll have very limited con…
1) Almost all of these services have generous free tiers. Even if you're running a relatively high traffic site your bill will be practically $0. 2) These technologies are stable and usually not that complicated. You are missing out on a lot of productivity by not looking into them. Understanding the "real underlying technologies" is a myth. The "underlying technologies" are constantly changing, unless you are using…
> Almost all of these services have generous free tiers. Even if you're running a relatively high traffic site your bill will be practically $0.
That is what gets you hooked.
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Do you know how they make this work?
For example, with containers on AWS ECS: https://docs.aws.amazon.com/AmazonECS/latest/userguide/task-...
So with environment variables.
I had supposed they would create a derived container and put it in a file somewhere.
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> The "underlying technologies" are constantly changing, unless you are using an extremely outdated stack So will also constantly change their behaviour in the edge cases. Thank you for giving me another reason for not using that crap. I'll stick with my extremely outdated stack.
Uh, what? Your product Saltcorn uses Webpack, React, Express, Docker and probably many more modern technologies. Those were just the ones I found looking at the repo for 5min. Cloud and serverless platforms are similarly modern tech, except for deployment and hosting. Do you really think that e.g. AWS and Cloudflare "constantly change their behaviour in the edge cases"?
> Do you really think that e.g. AWS and Cloudflare "constantly change their behaviour in the edge cases"?
I mean major Google APIs / SDKs do... And not just in edge cases. Not at all uncommon for a vendor to decide a service is unprofitable and kill it, or to decide to launch a new better version and deprecate the old one / demise in a couple of years. That isn't fun when you heavily depend on it.
When you look at the sheer number of services AWS offer, it feels its only a bad year or a major competitor gaining an advantage and undercutting them on price before there is a risk they consider trimming to a smaller core set of services. I'd bet the VPS offerings aren't what goes...
Or a standard comes out, they adopt that and deprecate the existing offering giving you 2 years to migrate. Having to re-work everything is a major cost to large firms and can kill a startup.
Re: Four ways to build web apps
#116Learning dozens specific cloud services and shelling out money everywhere I go is way less appealing to me than buying a cheap dedicated server and firing up exactly what I need. It'll take me far longer to figure out what FarGate and Cloudflare Pages and all these are and infinitely longer to keep up with the latest and greatest because it keeps changing constantly. And even once I get it, I'll have very limited con…
Nginx is not relatively simple. It's not easy. It's an unintuitive, poorly documented minefield. I agree with you in principle, but in practice mthese services replace dozens of hours of banging your head against software that's one misstep from blowing your legs clean off. Sometimes, you have better things to do than tweaking nginx configs using the average of a dozen tutorials and docs that might as well be written…
The premise that OP states isn't that Cloudflare is easier, but that when that one misstep happens and attempts to blow your legs clean off, you at least are in control of the environment and can debug/fix what's going on.
Not so easy on these platforms.
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#118Surprised not to see Render.com listed under option 4 despite that being an option discussed often here with comparable simplicity of deployment to Heroku
I love Render, have been using it heavily personally as well as professionally. I like it for fulfilling my demands efficiently. But I sometimes find the name is a pain point, it is really hard to search especially combined with some generic words. It seems fixed now but I remember at some point of time even "render status" wouldn't lead me to the right place.
It's getting better every day!
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> Do you have examples of such compatibility breakages? The wordpress integration test suite broke with PHP 8.0. They seem to be lagging behind for 8.1 and 8.2 as well. Remember new keywords were introduced and code just breaks in weird ways since these versions if you have conflicting names or depend on any library that has conflicting names. There was a somewhat recent article that talked about changes for a string…
> The wordpress integration test suite broke with PHP 8.0. Wordpress was since it creation a bad coded software and as a result they have issues with keeping up with the php release cycle. > In the near future you won't be able to assign new properties on instantiated objects anymore. Wrong, the stdClass that json_decode uses still works and will work, if you need dynamic properties without define it in your class ad…
I never got the endless maintaining in software. We build so much physical stuff but I remember only cars getting recalled sometimes. If you write something for a zx spectrum it will just work a million years from now. It seems there is no good excuse for it.
Re: Four ways to build web apps
#120Learning dozens specific cloud services and shelling out money everywhere I go is way less appealing to me than buying a cheap dedicated server and firing up exactly what I need. It'll take me far longer to figure out what FarGate and Cloudflare Pages and all these are and infinitely longer to keep up with the latest and greatest because it keeps changing constantly. And even once I get it, I'll have very limited con…
Sorry, but this advice just sounds really out of date. How is "a cheap server" ever cheaper than free? I don't think you understand just how generous and simple the free static hosting CDNs are. NGINX is fine but it's absolutely not simpler than saying "hey Cloudflare, serve my main branch at this URL" and then it does all the rest automatically.