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Tesla recalls 360k vehicles, says full self-driving beta may cause crashes

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Re: Tesla recalls 360k vehicles, says full self-driving beta may cause crashes

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Post by fnordpiglet »

LanceJones wrote: post #103
adoxyz wrote: post #44

I still can't believe FSD Beta was allowed on public roads. I've had it since day 1, and oh my god. It behaves worse than a drunk teenager. All the updates since, have made it barely better. This needs to be pulled entirely and rethought.

I beta test regularly in Vancouver BC on my Model S LR. My experience is the polar opposite to yours. It's surprising (on the good side) and has improved immensely in the past 12 months. It does not need to be rethought imo. Obviously your opinion is valid, but it's not consensus.

Yeah I use it all the time in seattle here on my model x. It’s amazing. Sometimes it makes a questionable decision but the vast majority of the time it works as expected. I don’t mind being alert to the driving conditions, and the amount it can do without assistance is remarkable

Re: Tesla recalls 360k vehicles, says full self-driving beta may cause crashes

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Post by thepasswordis »

yumraj wrote: post #55
thepasswordis wrote: post #21

It seems like there is a huge disconnect between people who know about FSD from using it and people who know about FSD from things they read on the internet. I have FSD, I use it every single day. I love it. If every car on the road had this the road would be a substantially safer place.

It seems there’s a huge disconnect between people who know how to drive and are confident in their skills, and those who are scared to drive and want to offload it to Musk. I’m actually afraid to drive behind a Tesla and either keep extra distance or change lanes if possible. I still have more faith in humans to not randomly brake them in beta FSD. It’s one thing to put your own life in the hands of this beta model,…

Yeah it's not that I'm scared of my own driving, I mean that if other people had it it would be safer. Things which have happened in the last 3 days of moderate driving around a city:

1) A car gets impatient at some traffic turning right on a green light in a construction zone, and comes into my lane meaning into oncoming traffic. We have to swerve out of the way and slam on the brakes to avoid them.

2) A guy gets impatient behind me slowing down over a speedbump, tailgates me a few inches behind and then passes me by cutting into oncoming traffic in a no passing zone, then cuts me off, again with a few inches to spare, and speeds through the neighborhood where we eventually meet at the stoplight at the end of the road.

3) Every single day people run red lights. Almost every light where there are people turning left at a green there are 4-5 cars that go through the red light after it turns.

My safety score on my tesla is 99. I am an extremely safe driver. I wish FSD was more common because so many people are terrible drivers.

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rootusrootus wrote: post #50

Meanwhile, the only actual L3 capable car is a Mercedes. Plenty of people will argue that AP is actually superior, but I don't think there's any way to say that for sure, given the tight constraints Mercedes has put on their driver assistance in order to lower the liability enough to make L3 not a bankruptcy event. For certain, however, they are more confident in their technology than Tesla is, otherwise Tesla would…

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Post by mdeeks »

swyx wrote: post #61

is this the largest car recall in history? holy crap edit: looks like no.. the largest was 578607 cars... also by Tesla lol

The word recall is misleading. It’s a software update. My cars both updated last night. I’m guessing it was this patch. If that’s the case then the “recall” is probably largely already done.

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Post by [deleted] »

thepasswordis wrote: post #21

It seems like there is a huge disconnect between people who know about FSD from using it and people who know about FSD from things they read on the internet. I have FSD, I use it every single day. I love it. If every car on the road had this the road would be a substantially safer place.

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Post by billfor »

root_axis wrote: post #42
thepasswordis wrote: post #21

It seems like there is a huge disconnect between people who know about FSD from using it and people who know about FSD from things they read on the internet. I have FSD, I use it every single day. I love it. If every car on the road had this the road would be a substantially safer place.

FSD is terrible. I have it, it's dangerous. If I had to go 5 miles through city streets I'd sooner trust a human after 3 shots of tequila before I'd trust FSD every time.

Disagree. I've had the beta for a year and drive in NYC. It has been mostly flawless considering all scenarios it has to handle. It does make the occasional mistake but (1) it's a beta and (2) I'm responsible for monitoring and correcting it. Agree that those that expected more should be entitled to a refund if they so desire.

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Post by qup »

rootusrootus wrote: post #66
thepasswordis wrote: post #21

It seems like there is a huge disconnect between people who know about FSD from using it and people who know about FSD from things they read on the internet. I have FSD, I use it every single day. I love it. If every car on the road had this the road would be a substantially safer place.

I have it (subscription, just wanted to try it out). I won't use it again. It confidently attempted to drive me into a rather solid object with very little warning. If every other car on the road had this, I would sell all my cars and forbid family members from getting anywhere near the road. It's nice on the freeway though.

To me it's weird you can voice an opinion like "I won't use it" and then say it's nice on the highway, as if you've given it enough of a trial there to endorse it when you think otherwise it's going to be killing people.

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Post by naillo »

rootusrootus wrote: post #50

Meanwhile, the only actual L3 capable car is a Mercedes. Plenty of people will argue that AP is actually superior, but I don't think there's any way to say that for sure, given the tight constraints Mercedes has put on their driver assistance in order to lower the liability enough to make L3 not a bankruptcy event. For certain, however, they are more confident in their technology than Tesla is, otherwise Tesla would…

Makes me think karpathys "bet" on vision being the only sensor was maybe misguided

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Post by breck »

pirate787 wrote: post #59
adoxyz wrote: post #44

I still can't believe FSD Beta was allowed on public roads. I've had it since day 1, and oh my god. It behaves worse than a drunk teenager. All the updates since, have made it barely better. This needs to be pulled entirely and rethought.

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Re: Tesla recalls 360k vehicles, says full self-driving beta may cause crashes

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Post by LanceJones »

rootusrootus wrote: post #50

Meanwhile, the only actual L3 capable car is a Mercedes. Plenty of people will argue that AP is actually superior, but I don't think there's any way to say that for sure, given the tight constraints Mercedes has put on their driver assistance in order to lower the liability enough to make L3 not a bankruptcy event. For certain, however, they are more confident in their technology than Tesla is, otherwise Tesla would…

I've used it in Germany over the Christmas holidays. In 8 hours of driving it was only available for 12 minutes.
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