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Half of Americans now believe that news organizations deliberately mislead them

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Re: Half of Americans now believe that news organizations deliberately mislead them

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American news organisations are all paid for by advertisers who have a vested interest in the status quo

It's hard to take this comment at face value when the content on CNN and Fox News is so different. I wouldn't really argue against CNN being interested in maintaining the status quo, but Fox News is reactionary.

There's more overlap between them than you realise, if you compare what counts as mainstream 'left' and 'right' in the USA vs Europe

Re: Half of Americans now believe that news organizations deliberately mislead them

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I said it farther down but I'll say it again. What possible justification could there have been for 2 weeks of continuous news coverage on covefe?

High interest in that topic and therefore more ad impressions. (Assuming you're right that there was non-stop coverage, I don't know.)

There wasn't non-stop coverage: a couple of stories when it came out, and months later some separate coverage of a bill introduced in Congress to require official social media accounts to be archived which was given that nickname.

Re: Half of Americans now believe that news organizations deliberately mislead them

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There are literal mountains of sociological studies on how (state and corporate) media have been in service of the powers that be, for decades, and how exactly this works. With a mountain of examples. So, for sociologists, this feels like "wow, it only took half a century to trickle through." Though of course this is the wrong reaction; it has always trickled through. Only that, in the past, it took a few years or de…

> But many of the structural pressures that sociologists have long identified shape commercial and state sourced news stories just don't apply to independent journalists

If Matt Taibi get Keshloggied it would not amaze me if his former colleagues bury the story or even spin it as a good thing. I don't predict he will actually get killed but ask yourself, would you be surprised if he was or does a part of you half expect it at this point?

He certainly won't be working a corporate gig anytime soon. Where will his income come from in the future? Nevermind what is he going to do to make ends meet, how will he afford going places to interview people and perform research? You can't realistically be a journalist sitting around at home in your underwear (unless you work for the NYT writing provoking social criticisms about something you just watched on Netflix).

And this is a very famous award winning guy with published books to his name from a time when people still used to read and pay for books. What is going to enable more people like this going forward? Seems like a pretty stressful life actually.

Re: Half of Americans now believe that news organizations deliberately mislead them

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> There is no master plan This. I have problem organizing 2 intelligent people to place dirty laundry in the laundry box or to do their homework on time or to place dirty dishes in the dishwasher. But there's a mastermind somewhere who can organize something so complex, with so many variables where each depends on a human being of varying intellect and skillset and the plan is so intricate that out of 100,000 possibi…

Imagine for a moment if you made $100 Billion in profits in 2.5 years.

Why wouldn't I imagine first that there exists a mastermind capable of weaving order out of chaos using divine ability granted to them by the Excalibur Fairy after praying at the Stonehenge?

The story you're portraying doesn't need any kind of imagination, Hanlon's razor works perfectly well there and doesn't require any kind of special ability granted by smoking weed while doing nothing besides looking for conspiracies.

Re: Half of Americans now believe that news organizations deliberately mislead them

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> A current example: https://www.glaad.org/new-york-times-sign-on-letter-from-lgt... ; coverage of trans people is heavily skewed, partly because it's risky being a named source in the paper, or people have had previous bad experiences with the press. So you get lots of articles that don't cover the side from the point of view of people most closely affected. That is a demand from a trans advocacy group. They don't w…

> uncomfortable questions about impositions upon women's rights The only right alleged is a right to exclude trans women, and consequentially a right to screen all women suspected of being trans. > and the medical abuse of children The children in question want to transition, and their parents or the state want to prevent them; defining this as "abuse" without actually listening to the allegedly abused is the problem…

That is of course just your opinion, and reflects only one side of the issue. It would be a very biased journalism if only this and closely similar viewpoints were to be promoted.

Which is basically what the NYT said in their response:

"We received the letter from GLAAD and welcome their feedback. We understand how GLAAD sees our coverage. But at the same time, we recognize that GLAAD's advocacy mission and The Times's journalistic mission are different.

"As a news organization, we pursue independent reporting on transgender issues that include profiling groundbreakers in the movement, challenges and prejudice faced by the community, and how society is grappling with debates about care.

"The very news stories criticized by GLAAD in their letter reported deeply and empathetically on issues of care and well-being for trans teens and adults. Our journalism strives to explore, interrogate and reflect the experiences, ideas and debates in society - to help readers understand them. Our reporting did exactly that and we're proud of it."

Re: Half of Americans now believe that news organizations deliberately mislead them

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When everything is fake news, the fascists win. Democracy is dying and "both sides" believe the other is the "enemy". It's going to get bloody, folks.

Go back to reddit

Keep your head in the sand.

You cannot have politicians and media telling people day in and day out that people who don't look like you or believe like you are the enemy and not have people try and hurt their "enemy". You can't.

Re: Half of Americans now believe that news organizations deliberately mislead them

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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_fHfgU8oMSo

This is mostly due to local news stations being lazy and regurgitating copy without doing any work on their own. The way news works involves stories and information being piped from party to party. Much of it comes from the AP or major national news bodies. Having seen how the sausage is made for these small local outfits, they are often run on a low budget with limited staff, old equipment and little bandwidth for t…

Plus aren't a ton of local news stations owned by Sinclair? MBA Bean Counting 101 would suggest that if you owned 200 news channels across the country that the first thing you'd do is look for stories that are relevant across all (or multiple) channels then pay 1 person to write it once. Rather than paying 200 people to write the story 200 times.

You'd also likely want to implement standards around language use that would create a consistent product with broad appeal, limit an editor's ability to go off the rails and do something that would harm the brand image, and that limits legal liability.

Re: Half of Americans now believe that news organizations deliberately mislead them

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_fHfgU8oMSo

This is mostly due to local news stations being lazy and regurgitating copy without doing any work on their own. The way news works involves stories and information being piped from party to party. Much of it comes from the AP or major national news bodies. Having seen how the sausage is made for these small local outfits, they are often run on a low budget with limited staff, old equipment and little bandwidth for t…

The problem there is consolidated ownership of local television. Sinclair and Nexstar own the majority of TV stations in this country that aren't owned and operated (O&O) by the networks themselves. Actual local television ownership is dwindling, and those stations lose network affiliation, because the networks would rather work with large station groups to get more money in retransmission fees (as stations getting paid more money by operators means that the networks can demand more money from all affiliates).

Re: Half of Americans now believe that news organizations deliberately mislead them

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There is a simple reason for this. The necessary ingredient in a news story is a conflict of some kind, and the people who feel misled recognize that the conflicts that news orgs present, decorated by mostly real facts, are synthetic, the product of an ideology. In a story, there's a figure-ground relationship between facts and the tension between them, and the people very-concerned about "alternative facts" don't get that others don't believe them not because of the disinformation on the internet, but because they register to us as liars who sprinkle some facts as palatable icing over an underlying lie derived from an ideology designed to produce cheap conflict. In a moral sense, news that uses synthetic conflict sourced from ideology is in effect, false witness.

To me, anything problematic or anti-problematic is a synthetic conflict generated from underlying pre-problematizations. One doesn't have to agree with this assessment to understand it, but pretending to be mystified as to why a majority of Americans don't agree with them only makes the divide irreconcilable, imo.

Re: Half of Americans now believe that news organizations deliberately mislead them

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There are literal mountains of sociological studies on how (state and corporate) media have been in service of the powers that be, for decades, and how exactly this works. With a mountain of examples. So, for sociologists, this feels like "wow, it only took half a century to trickle through." Though of course this is the wrong reaction; it has always trickled through. Only that, in the past, it took a few years or de…

> it took a few years or decades to be come publicized knowledge

So that makes me wonder how this is getting out. Is it a news organization such as an opposing organization, or outspoken journalists? Is it democratized news reporting via forums and social media?

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