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Re: WHO: No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

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Post by shanebellone »

endisneigh wrote: post #71
shanebellone wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Let’s hope the same happens with alcohol." Why? You have all the required information to make an educated decision for yourself. Others do too. Allow them to decide without harassment. I quit smoking cigarettes and drinking alcohol years ago now. As the calculus changed, my habits followed suit. Everyone should be allowed to choose how they live.

If you believe in socialized health care you would hope the trend on unhealthy habits is going down, right?

I believe socialized healthcare is an eventuality. But I couldn't care less about other people's habits.

Re: WHO: No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

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Post by zabzonk »

rightbyte wrote: post #106
zabzonk wrote: post #77

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it's neither shocking or controversial to say that excess alcohol (for example, falling-down drunk) is bad for the majority of people. what is irritating to people of a logical/scientific bent is saying that ANY alcohol at all is going to lead to a a bad result, with minimal or no evidence. for example, the bottle of gin that i have beside me has a label on it that says i should not exceed 2 small glasses a day. wher…

Two small glasses of gin every day is probably way to much? Just from the high frequency.

that is not a high frequency for a regular drinker who is not an alcoholic. and my point was that this figure was made up by people who, with no evidence, simply made up this figure.

Re: WHO: No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

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Post by TOMDM »

dbspin wrote: post #96
TOMDM wrote: post #79

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For most recipes involving wine, the alcohol in the dish will have evaporated long before it arrives at your table.

Friend of mine in recovery pointed out recently that this isn't true. In fact depending on the other ingredients and cooking duration, there may well be quite a bit of alcohol by volume in any 'wine sauce' or similar dish. It's the water that will evaporate first "Meats and baked goods that are cooked for 25 minutes without being stirred retain 45 percent of alcohol." https://www.isu.edu/news/2019-fall/no-worries-the…

Huh, today I learned, thank you!

I guess I can update towards "most of it will probably be cooked off" but 45% is still non negligible for a lot of scenarios. And even 5% remaining after 2.5 hours of boiling means that I should probably expect some alcohol no matter what.

Re: WHO: No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

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Post by johnaspden »

FartyMcFarter wrote: post #63
stephen_g wrote: post #29

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And this is the Lancet article summarising the research: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanpub/article/PIIS2468-2... The proportion of cancers attributable to alcohol is 4.1% of all cases, from [1]. Of that, the ‘Light to Moderate’ alcohol category ( 1. https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanonc/article/PIIS1470-2...

Gee, how did two bottles of wine / 7 pints of beer a week get categorised as light? For me light would be one or two beers a week max.

Lancet's British

Re: WHO: No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

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Post by lo_zamoyski »

peoplefromibiza wrote: post #16
pfdietz wrote: post #14

Ethanol is metabolized to acetaldehyde in the body. Acetaldehyde causes DNA damage. https://academic.oup.com/carcin/article/43/1/52/6373372

UV too. So basically direct exposure to Sun light should be avoided. edit: UV do cause DNA damage, so following the same logic, no amount of Sun light can be considered safe. Which is true, but the effects are usually negligible, so, as usual, common sense is your best friend.

We need sun light for our health (vitamin D synthesis, for example).

Re: WHO: No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

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Post by Penyngton »

zabzonk wrote: post #65
TedDoesntTalk wrote: post #55

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Link? I thought cinnamon was good for blood pressure?

cinnamon may be - don't know. i was talking about browned/burnt toast, in which several carcinogens have been identified, as they are in just about everything, if you look hard enough.

Apparently, this is a myth: https://www.cancerresearchuk.org/about-cancer/causes-of-canc...

Re: WHO: No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

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Post by lo_zamoyski »

schwartzworld wrote: post #40
peoplefromibiza wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

UV too. So basically direct exposure to Sun light should be avoided. edit: UV do cause DNA damage, so following the same logic, no amount of Sun light can be considered safe. Which is true, but the effects are usually negligible, so, as usual, common sense is your best friend.

Ask any dermatologist and they'll absolutely tell you to protect yourself from the sun.

Déformation professionnelle.

Re: WHO: No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

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Post by Apreche »

We know that banning alcohol doesn’t work. We should do what we did for tobacco. Ban advertisements for alcohol. Do the same for other vice. If consenting adults want to engage in vice that doesn’t hurt other people such as gambling, alcohol, etc. then allow it. Just don’t allow it to be advertised.

Can’t deny that as someone who has abstained from alcohol my entire life, feeling pretty smart every time more of these studies come out.

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