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Ask HN: Is anyone else getting AI fatigue?

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Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else getting AI fatigue?

#111

Its part of overall "tech hype fatigue", think of all the waves upon waves, big data, social apps, crypto/web3, self-driving cars, virtual reality, AI etc, At the same time people's actual quality of life or economic standing is going nowhere, there is fragility that bursts in the open with every stress, politics has become toxic and the environment gets degraded irreversibly. Yet people simply refuse to see and they…

Everyone is a temporarily inconvenienced multi-millionaire. They only need to get in on the next big thing and ride their way to a comfortable life at the top.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else getting AI fatigue?

#112

The "I" in AI is just complete bullshit and I can't understand why so many people are in a awe of a bit of software that chains words to another based on some statistical model. The sad truth is that ChatGPT is about as good an AI as ELIZA was in 1966, it's just better (granted: much better) at hiding its total lack of actual human understanding. It's nothing more than an expensive parlor trick, IMHO. Github CoPilot?…

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Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else getting AI fatigue?

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The "I" in AI is just complete bullshit and I can't understand why so many people are in a awe of a bit of software that chains words to another based on some statistical model. The sad truth is that ChatGPT is about as good an AI as ELIZA was in 1966, it's just better (granted: much better) at hiding its total lack of actual human understanding. It's nothing more than an expensive parlor trick, IMHO. Github CoPilot?…

As much as I’m sick of AI products, I’m even more sick of the “ChatGPT is bullshit” argument.

It can be both bullshit and utterly astounding.

In terms of closing the gap between AI hype and useful general purpose AI tools, no one can reasonably deny that it's an absolute quantum leap.

It's just not a daily driver for technical experts yet.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else getting AI fatigue?

#114

ChatGPT is great, but it's being hyped up so much right now. We've got AI bros coming in the scene trying to sell everybody a new product. Before the crypto craze, it was big data. I probably missed something in between.

ChatGPT has certainly made a splash, but it's part of a larger trend. I started following developments in modern AI when Kevin Kelly tweeted[1] this in 2016:

> The business plans of the next 10,000 startups are easy to forecast: Take X and add AI.

I think the AI hype cycle isn't done building. A few days ago, Paul Graham tweeted[2] this:

> One of the differences between the AI boom and previous tech booms is that AI is technically more difficult. That combined with VC funds' shift toward earlier stage investing with less analysis will mean that, for a while, money will be thrown at any AI startup.

[1]: https://twitter.com/kevin2kelly/status/718166465216512001

[2]: https://twitter.com/paulg/status/1623060319403905026

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else getting AI fatigue?

#116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can say with a certain degree of confidence that you haven't actually used CoPilot daily.

I've worked with teams that used Copilot. They claim it's great "Hey, now I don't have to actually spend any time writing all this boilerplate!" while for me, the person who has to review their code before releasing stuff, easier ways of writing boilerplate is not a positive, it's a negative. If writing boilerplate becomes effortless, then you'll write more of it, instead of feeling the pain of writing it and then tr…

I feel ya. If your job is to kick back bad code, and now there is a tool that generates bad code, how does this not make your job more important?

Why not get some of the freed up, Copilot augmented developer labor budget moved to testing and do more there or build more tools to make your personal, boilerplate, repetitive tasks more efficient?

If the coders are truly just dumping bad code your way, that's an externality and the cost should be called out.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else getting AI fatigue?

#117

The "I" in AI is just complete bullshit and I can't understand why so many people are in a awe of a bit of software that chains words to another based on some statistical model. The sad truth is that ChatGPT is about as good an AI as ELIZA was in 1966, it's just better (granted: much better) at hiding its total lack of actual human understanding. It's nothing more than an expensive parlor trick, IMHO. Github CoPilot?…

I agree with you completely. I work in the field and I think your sentiment is way more common amongst people who know about the technology, vs the fair weather fans who have all jumped on the hype bandwagon recently. I actually posted the same thing (that it's no different than Eliza) a month or so ago, and got at least one hilarious dismissal, like the "I bet you make widgets" person that replied to you.

Thank you!

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else getting AI fatigue?

#119
You're absolutely right. And if this is only your second ride on the hype cycle, they come around often. Gartner publishes a list of them.

Try to focus on the bright side - now that you've seen behind the curtain, you can more easily avoid the hacks and shysters. They will try to cast the "ML/AI" spell on you and it won't take.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else getting AI fatigue?

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I think this time is the good one. ChatGPT has reached a level where we finally can think of building actually useful products on top of "AI". Note that nobody is pretending that ChatGPT is "true" intelligence (whatever that means), but i believe the excitement comes from seeing something that could have real application (and so, yes, everybody is going to pretend to have incorporated "AI" in their product for the ne…

I really don't understand how engineers are having good experiences with it; a lot of the stuff I've seen it output w.r.t. swe is only correct if you're very generous with your interpretation of it (re: dangerous if you use it as anything more than a casual glance at the tech). W.r.t. anything else it outputs, it's either so generic that I could do it better, outright wrong (e.g. cannot handle something as simple as…

I'm a Civil Engineer with a modest background including some work in AI. I'm pretty impressed with it. It's about as good or better than an average new intern and it's nearly instant.

I think a big part of my success with it is that I'm used to providing good specifications for tasks. This is, apparently, non-trivial for people to the point where it drives the existence of many middle-management or high-level engineering roles whose primary job is translating between business people / clients / and the technical staff.

I thought of a basic chess position with a mate in 1 and described it to chatGPT, and it correctly found the mate. I don't expect much in chess skill from it, but by god it has learned a LOT about chess for an AI that was never explicitly trained in chess itself with positions as input and moves as output.

I asked it to write a brief summary of the area, climate, geology, and geography of a location I'm doing a project in for an engineering report. These are trivial, but fairly tedious to write, and new interns are very marginal at this task without a template to go off of. I have to lookup at least 2 or 3 different maps, annual rainfall averages over the last 30 years, general effects of the geography on the climate, average & range of elevations, names of all the jurisdictions & other things, population estimates, zoning and land-use stats, etc, etc. And it instantly produced 3 or 4 paragraphs with well-worded and correct descriptions. I had already done this task and it was eerily similar to what I'd already written a few months earlier. The downside is, it can't (or rather won't) give me a confidence value for each figure or phrase it produces. ...So given it's prone to hallucinations, I'd presumably still have to go pull all the same information anyway to double check. But nevertheless, I was pretty impressed. It's also frankly probably better than I am at bringing in all that information and figuring out how to phrase it all. (And certainly MUCH more time efficient)

I think it's evident that the intelligence of these systems is indeed evolving very rapidly. The difference in ChatGPT 2 vs 3 is substantial. With the current level of interest and investment I think we're going to see continued rapid development here for at least the near future.

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