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Reddit mods and scaling problems in social control

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Re: Reddit mods and scaling problems in social control

#111

Reddit's decade-old rule that you shouldn't submit more than 10% of your own content is one of the weirdest artifacts of that era, especially since every social media company would kill for good original content.

What percent of own-content submissions are good original content though?

Re: Reddit mods and scaling problems in social control

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We know some power-users are paid to promote things by advertising agencies and other special interest groups. We know some PACs are active in trying to shape public opinion on Reddit. I wouldn't be surprised at all if some of the moderators, especially the "powermods", are earning a living based on payments by some of these groups.

That is a popular opinion amongst redditors, and I find it a bit conspiracy-theory-ish. Shills doing anything potentially impactful are often easy to spot and tend to be called out on it or ignored. I expect there is some quid pro quo going on, but "earning a living" seems like a stretch (with maybe some very rare temporary exceptions in burgeoning frontiers). More plausible is that there are lobbyists or employees o…

> Shills doing anything potentially impactful are often easy to spot and tend to be called out on it or ignored.

Not a chance. The easily spotted are the least likely to be shills, or are very new to it. If you know that people have been paid to infiltrate actual physical groups for years, in the UK literally having children with members of those groups, I'm not sure why you think it would be so much harder for a pseudonym to fool reddit visitors.

I'm more curious whether they mostly use off the shelf tools, or mostly their own tools developed in-house. We need a new post-2016 Snowden-style leak.

Re: Reddit mods and scaling problems in social control

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Don't be so sure that some of the mods don't work for Reddit. Some of them are powermods modding multiple large subs in the millions of subscribers, and they seem to be able to get their way instantly with anything they want. Pretty lucky of Reddit to have people who can mod multiple huge subs for years for "free". Not only that, but Reddit wants to do a public IPO to raise more money. So let's see how that's going t…

People are entitled to run their own private sites in ways that restrict you from sharing your opinions that are not the same as theirs. The view of the law that you're espousing is one where, simply by dint of letting people sign up to a service you run, you take on an obligation to carry their messages. That's an intense amount of authority to give the government over private enterprise, and a stultifying precedent…

But when you have 1000 people having a conversation there, it literally is not a private site.

Re: Reddit mods and scaling problems in social control

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I already knew where this was going. Reddit has been unusable for me as a contributor for a long time, I'd say 9/10 when I post something on an arbitrary subreddit my post tends to get deleted. It really is infuriating, either you didn't comply to one of their many rules (and every subreddit has different rules), or you used a keyword that triggered moderation, or you posted in the "wrong" subreddit (I wish they woul…

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I think the author doesn't understand that reddit mods don't work for reddit. In their discussion with the mods they mention "site-wide rules" which makes me think they don't understand that the mods of each reddit make their own rules. On that sub, their rules don't allow people who mostly post links to their own site. It's up to you if agree with their rule, but those are the rules they have chosen. The common resp…

I noticed the moderator problems on Reddit many years ago: https://jakeseliger.com/2015/03/16/the-moderator-problem-how... , but I also observe that, since then, Reddit appears to have become much more popular. So maybe the structure is good enough.

The system meets 2 criteria. It's cheap. It fosters advertising.

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>For people who are saying "thankfully HN is different!", it really isn't. Yes it is. HN's moderation is run by HN. The rules are applied consistently because there are are no third party mods or rules. People know what to expect and that builds community better. You don't have to wonder if some edgelord mod is going to get home from school and delete your post based on their mood.

You are still incorrectly comparing. The equivalent to HN in Reddit world is a single subreddit. When you compare a single subreddit to HN, you see there aren't many differences at all, a single set of rules being applied as the mods intend.

It would be interesting if a subreddit actually paid its frontline moderation staff, and hired them via a board that didn't have mod responsibilities itself. I wonder if any of them have tried?

Re: Reddit mods and scaling problems in social control

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Author has no clue what they're talking about and it shows. Moderators are under absolutely no obligation to enforce Reddits anti-spam policy and I am aware of zero instances of a moderator being removed or warned for failure to remove spam. Now moderators ARE held accountable for some things, they can't just turn a blind eye to global rules like no child pornography without being removed, and in general they're expe…

P.S. The way you can self promote while staying within the rules is to sincerely become an active member of each community after which a small amount of posts can be part of your own content. This also deters cross posting your own content across several subs at the same time which tends to annoy people who see your content repeatedly. If you do this, you can still end up in hot water because people reflexively hate self-promotion, but you're a lot lot less likely to get banned. The thing is that people with no investment in the communities they're posting their content into will not do this, which is precisely the point, Reddit wants the regulars of that community to post content not drive-by self promoters. This overall ensures quality in a fair way. It doesn't work that well, Reddit has been astroturfed for eons, but it works somewhat.

The rules of reddit apply globally in communities large and small, a moderator might like you and not ban you and maybe users on a certain community like you and don't report you, but if you break the rules of reddit yeah it's fair for you to get banned at any time by anybody with the power to do so with them citing that rule.

Re: Reddit mods and scaling problems in social control

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> personally affected because they are trans That's something I find surprising about reddit - I can't remember what the exact percentage is, but I think it's something like 0.1% of the world population is trans... but it seems like 90% of the moderators on reddit are. What is it about reddit that attracts them?

I have similar questions about the apparent over-representation of LGBT people among high-profile software developers, but it feels like it's never okay to ask those questions.

Part of it is Alphabet Tourism.

I'm gay and many of my legit LGBT friends have noticed a trend where lots of younger folks are claiming to be queer, bi, non-binary, asexual, pansexual, trans, etc., without a lot of evidence that they're anything other than a straight person looking to feel special.

Re: Reddit mods and scaling problems in social control

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People are entitled to run their own private sites in ways that restrict you from sharing your opinions that are not the same as theirs. The view of the law that you're espousing is one where, simply by dint of letting people sign up to a service you run, you take on an obligation to carry their messages. That's an intense amount of authority to give the government over private enterprise, and a stultifying precedent…

But when you have 1000 people having a conversation there, it literally is not a private site.

When the 1001st patron at Philips Crab House in Ocean City is seated, the Crab House does not suddenly become publicly owned or operated.

Re: Reddit mods and scaling problems in social control

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YC has a vested interest in keeping the HN moderation a certain way, it bring a certain quality to the discourse but it's different than the structure of any sub. Dang has a direct relationship with the owners of the site and responsibility to them, that relationship doesn't exist in any way on reddit. The mods run amok. Suggesting HN is effectively just another subreddit dismisses several important differences.

No, I don't think that's how HN works at all. Dan can in fact run amok on HN. I don't believe there are significant pressures from YC on how Dan structures moderation here. People unfamiliar with the setup here tend to think about YC first when they think about its management, but they should think about Dan first. My understanding is that things are pretty hands-off; even the perks that YC companies get here are, I…

The fact of being an HN employee means that Dan has a sword of Damocles above his head the whole time. Whether or not YC are actually calling him up day-to-day and telling him to do X or Y is irrelevant; he's smart enough to figure out what X and Y are and do them pre-emptively, and he knows his livelihood depends on it.
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