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Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

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Post by IG_Semmelweiss »

seydor wrote: post #108
IG_Semmelweiss wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is a difference between war and executive priviledges. The former (Russia) unilaterally imposed a decision (war) on another government and its people. The latter (erdogan) is acting in his capacity as the elected representative of the people. Starlink cannot override the decision of the elected executive. He needs approval for that.

> is acting in his capacity as the elected representative You can be the "elected representative" of anything if you put everyone else in jail

Yet. People voted for that.

Same for Chavez. Same for maduro.

The collective can make wrong decisions that doesnt take away from the fact that the laws and its people are sovereign over its territory.

Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

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Post by NotYourLawyer »

beefield wrote: post #87
golergka wrote: post #39

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This is one of many, many reasons why western countries and social media companies should not normalise censorship re-branded like "fighting disinformation".

How do you propose western countries and social media companies fight disinformation?

The solution to bad speech is more speech. Not less.

Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

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Post by nextaccountic »

blagie wrote: post #90
can16358p wrote: post #19

Turkish here. This is unbelievable, but totally expected from the current "democractic" government. Social media usage is very high in Türkiye and people are coordinating using social media (mainly Twitter) for rescue operations in near realtime. I'm pretty much sure some people will literally die under wreckage because of communication interruptions as the result of this block. (For anyone telling to use VPN, yeah,…

Off-topic: Do most people there prefer "Türkiye" or "Turkey?"

In some years, this will become a non-issue

Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

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Post by hkpack »

luckylion wrote: post #60
golergka wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is one of many, many reasons why western countries and social media companies should not normalise censorship re-branded like "fighting disinformation".

Not sure that would make a difference. Western societies have an issue with genocide, so Russia claims Ukraine was committing genocide against Russians. If Westerners didn't care about genocide, Russia would've claimed something else, Putin certainly has no issue with genocide. So if our thing du jure wasn't misinformation, I'm sure they'd just claim they're using their powers to combat hate speech or whatever else i…

You probably don't understand nuances of why Russia says what, it is not only about the western values, but just a very effective tactic in the information warfare.

I know about at least three major points:

* Russia always blame other party of the crimes it about to commit. It ties the enemy and allies into the "you did, no your did" kind of arguments. This also helps to push all sorts of fake narratives into the enemy population. We witness this over and over.

* It is a power play. Russian people enjoy very much the fact that their officials can say and do whatever they want, and the world can do nothing. This gives Russians true joy (as witnessed first hand). It also demoralises enemy heavily, because instead of pointing to the obvious crime, "not everything is so clear" now.

* It cements alternative history. For example, children in school all over Russia will learn about the current events based on the "official" alternative reasoning.

Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

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Post by binanc »

seydor wrote: post #104
binanc wrote: post #82

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because we like to talk to americans? that s like the kid that grabs all the toys for himself, and then has nobody to play with

> because we like to talk to americans?

You think that's what twitter is? Most of us don't use twitter.

> that s like the kid that grabs all the toys for himself, and then has nobody to play with

No. It's more like the poor kid that has no toys and has to beg rich kids for their toys to play with. Wouldn't you want the poor kid to have his own toys? Also, having his own toys would make it more likely that other kids with toys will play with him.

You misunderstood my point. There is a reason why I said social media should be a network of networks, aka the "inter"net. Once turkey and other nations have their own twitter and social media, they can connect to each other. Or you can copy paste things from other "networks" to yours and share that way. There are tons of tiktok videos on youtube and vice versa. Just because you are in your own network doesn't mean you will be isolated.

Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

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Post by roamerz »

PM_me_your_math wrote: post #75
m000 wrote: post #4

Elections are around the corner, and Erdogan's approval ratings have been dropping even before the earthquake. Just saying...

Elections are meaningless if you can print millions of untraceable mail-in ballots and do not enforce rigorous ID requirements. Furthermore, elections are even less meaningless if you can imprison the opposition or destroy them in media under false and contrived pretense.

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Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

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Post by seydor »

IG_Semmelweiss wrote: post #111
seydor wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> is acting in his capacity as the elected representative You can be the "elected representative" of anything if you put everyone else in jail

Yet. People voted for that. Same for Chavez. Same for maduro. The collective can make wrong decisions that doesnt take away from the fact that the laws and its people are sovereign over its territory.

Erdogan is not simply a populist and nationalist who also uses religion (even though he s a typical opportunist and definitely not a pious person). He also imprisons the opposition, silences media etc. This is typically called a dictator. The 'collective' did not make any of those decisions , he did

Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

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Post by throwawayccp »

RhodesianHunter wrote: post #97
throwawayccp wrote: post #93

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This is why I stopped buying anything that comes form China. No more funding CCP.

How do you even do that? I make an effort when I have a choice but so often it seems like there is no other choice.

For instance i still use 10y old Dell 14r laptop. When it became slow to run windows i switched to u Ubuntu and added SSD (not china made).

I might have purchased less than 10 made in china products in the past 3 years

Something is better than nothing

Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

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Post by code51 »

You should realize that Twitter had become a critical source of information about people in collapsed buildings. Their friends, family and relatives were writing detailed address information in order to help rescue efforts and reach these people faster.

All sorts of resource requests were also part of these tweets, so it is also part of understanding priorities for each affected area.

There are already software projects collecting this information, organizing them to a structured form and carrying them over to rescue authorities.

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