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Others has also cleared up the lies and misquotes. Why do you jump directly to tangent lies, instead of dealing with the main argument - that we are where we are because of Russia not upholding its promises?
It seems to me that neither side was upholding its promises. There are no angels here.
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The thing is that nonetheless every war ever has ended as part of a diplomatic process. When this doesn’t happen you have something like the Korean War, which is technically still going on. Also it’s bonkers that someone thinks Ukraine is untrustworthy this situation. Didn’t they give up all their nuclear weapons in a signed treaty under the guarantee that Russia promised to respect their territorial integrity? Doesn…
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You're going to need some reliable evidence for this and an explanation of what the solution actually was, as well as why the Ukranians aren't making more of this.
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Still, maybe Estonia should cook up a special solution now. I bet some residents who were on the fence before the recent aggression changed their minds now. I understand though it's a tricky real-politik situation. I'm lucky to not live in a country with a border to Russia.
No they shouldn't. Russia has played the "we must protect the Russian minority in that region" card before to justify military action. Its' the whole reason we have a war in Ukraine. Estonia must make ensure that no such pretense can exist in their country. Denying citizenship to people who don't denounce their Russian nationality and don't fully accept "becoming Estonian" is the right thing to do, IMO.
No. It's just the excuse that's trotted out.
If that excuse wasn't available, a difference excuse/fig-leaf would have been given or created.
Trying to get rid of all potential excuses is unlikely to work, they'll just get creative and manufacture something else instead.
I wonder why Russia gets a pass from the left and right on being pretty brutal colonial empire. Even in present day borders Russia is composed of literally hundreds of colonised nations that get exploited and brutalised for the benefit of Moscow.
it's not colonial
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> They don't want to negotiate with anybody, they just want their stuff (back?) And to be clear here, "their stuff" is (in their eyes) everything that was once part of the Soviet Union. Most of it is currently out of reach, but not attacking Poland next is a tactical decision acknowledging EU/Nato firepower, it's not because "we don't see a reason to attack a neighbor".
Exactly, and that's why most of Putin's vitriol and propaganda is directed against NATO, because it's a real impediment to them taking it all back. It's also interesting to see how strongly the Baltic nations and Poland are pushing to support Ukraine, since they lived long enough under the Soviet heel and they definitely don't want to get back to that. I have no idea what's up with Hungary though.
1. Leadership is autocratic / non-democratic and thus a natural ally. That's the easy bit, but why does the populous support Russia.
2. Poland and other eastern bloc countries are doing a lot better than Hungary, which makes common folks disaffected.
3. State control of the media is pretty strong, and it blames the west for their problems.
There's a similar narrative for Serbia, but historical reasons also play a big role. The politics and history of that region are "interesting".
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> a former USSR country (although not willingly) this is a weird construct, we were not willingly part of soviet union, not not willingly former
Estonia isn't even really considered a former SSR if I'm not mistaken. The period of time they were an SSR was mostly considered an illegal occupation, with the legitimate and recognized government being in exile. It's similar to calling Vienna, Austria a "former German city" because of the Anschluss.
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Still, maybe Estonia should cook up a special solution now. I bet some residents who were on the fence before the recent aggression changed their minds now. I understand though it's a tricky real-politik situation. I'm lucky to not live in a country with a border to Russia.
No they shouldn't. Russia has played the "we must protect the Russian minority in that region" card before to justify military action. Its' the whole reason we have a war in Ukraine. Estonia must make ensure that no such pretense can exist in their country. Denying citizenship to people who don't denounce their Russian nationality and don't fully accept "becoming Estonian" is the right thing to do, IMO.
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The thing is that nonetheless every war ever has ended as part of a diplomatic process. When this doesn’t happen you have something like the Korean War, which is technically still going on. Also it’s bonkers that someone thinks Ukraine is untrustworthy this situation. Didn’t they give up all their nuclear weapons in a signed treaty under the guarantee that Russia promised to respect their territorial integrity? Doesn…
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Ok, i stopped at that line, that's when you know it's not a report but rather it's propaganda
That's sad coming from Estonia