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Re: Tell HN: Microsoft classifies own emails as junk

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Post by rirze »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #62
hbn wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

VS Code's selling point is that it's a middle-ground between (relatively) lightweight performance of a text editor, and power of an IDE. People are keeping an eye on performance, and they'll stop using it if it just becomes a bloated, master-of-none IDE. Teams' bread and butter is being "good enough" for enterprise. And they're also locked into a lot of bad early decisions they made since they don't want to break com…

What do people not like about Teams? I just started using it with a contract customer and it seems fine. Does what it says on the proverbial tin.

For the last couple of months, I occasionally don't get notifications if the app is not focused. And it's not just me, several team members are experiencing the same issue. Imagine-- a messaging app that doesn't deliver notifications when running in the background.

Re: Tell HN: Microsoft classifies own emails as junk

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Post by drowsspa »

gghffguhvc wrote: post #96
zvolsky wrote: post #9

The fact that Microsoft doesn't just whitelist their own domains speaks to their commitment to strict security measures and good engineering culture. Special cases aren't special enough to break the rules.

Please use "allowlist"

Being this obnoxious won't help the cause at all. Keep using this alternative yourself when you can. Perhaps it will naturally fade out of use. For instance, you could have commented about it using "allowlist" in your own writing and it would be just natural.

Personally I'd say we have a limited bandwith to talk about prejudice in the public discourse. I'd rather we don't waste it away with useless remarks.

Re: Tell HN: Microsoft classifies own emails as junk

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Post by macintux »

Deukhoofd wrote: post #6
qsort wrote: post #3

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Yes, I can't wrap my head around the fact that VS Code and Teams came out of the same company. That the same people who thought "it's a good idea to use CS theory to add a type system to Javascript" are the same people who thought "it's a good idea to put ads in the start menu".

> That the same people who thought "it's a good idea to use CS theory to add a type system to Javascript" are the same people who thought "it's a good idea to put ads in the start menu". The secret is that they aren't the same people.

Which was the point of the left hand/right hand analogy.

Re: Tell HN: Microsoft classifies own emails as junk

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Post by macintux »

rirze wrote: post #111
CamperBob2 wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do people not like about Teams? I just started using it with a contract customer and it seems fine. Does what it says on the proverbial tin.

For the last couple of months, I occasionally don't get notifications if the app is not focused. And it's not just me, several team members are experiencing the same issue. Imagine-- a messaging app that doesn't deliver notifications when running in the background.

No notifications (which honestly I’m fairly happy about, my team’s important communications happen in Slack), the frequent rejection of mouse clicks (literally took me 30+ clicks to share my screen today), the bizarre window behavior as you switch monitors, windows vanishing as you switch apps… it’s just a nightmare.

Re: Tell HN: Microsoft classifies own emails as junk

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Post by lcnPylGDnU4H9OF »

drowsspa wrote: post #112
gghffguhvc wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please use "allowlist"

Being this obnoxious won't help the cause at all. Keep using this alternative yourself when you can. Perhaps it will naturally fade out of use. For instance, you could have commented about it using "allowlist" in your own writing and it would be just natural. Personally I'd say we have a limited bandwith to talk about prejudice in the public discourse. I'd rather we don't waste it away with useless remarks.

> Being this obnoxious

The comment contained a grand total of three words. If someone has this initial reaction to those words in this context, perhaps they should consider their priors.

Re: Tell HN: Microsoft classifies own emails as junk

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Post by natch »

brightball wrote: post #23

Microsoft's disjointed approach to email doesn't surprise me here. They're actively enabling more phishing and fraud by not respecting the DMARC standard or participating in sending aggregate reports. For all that people like to bag on Google recently, Google has worked harder than anybody on this.

> For all that people like to bag on Google recently, Google has worked harder than anybody on this.

Oh come on. Back when they first built Gmail, maybe sure.

But in the last 10 years or so? They’ve been totally ignoring the fact that they categorize their own non-marketing non-spammy emails, specifically requested on specific non-spammy topics by the user, generated by Google, and sent by Google, as spam. I don’t think they have worked harder than anybody on this. Snacked harder, maybe.

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