Reversing UK mobile rail tickets

Post by switch007 » Sun, Feb 05, 2023, 9:55 AM UTC

xdfgh1112 wrote: post #106

mnd999 wrote: post #99

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No, this was always part of the rules - unless you have an Advance ticket. And as far as I know that is still the case.

I tried to use an off peak QR code ticket and it did not pass the gates and I was told I wasn't allowed to do it, the ticket rules did not mention it either. It is possible the staff just didn't know about the break in journey rule, I was too tired to fight it at the time.

Post by Shaanie » Sun, Feb 05, 2023, 9:57 AM UTC

michaelt wrote: post #110

> they also gain the ability to more precisely track the ticket’s usage across the network and minimise fraud. Except mobile tickets make fraud trivial - getting off the train without a ticket, at a station with a ticket barrier? Just show them your powered off phone and say 'my phone died' and they'll let you out, no questions asked.

Post by ErikCorry » Sun, Feb 05, 2023, 10:08 AM UTC

NoZebra120vClip wrote: post #94

wodenokoto wrote: post #70

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The best tech solution I’ve yet to see is simply accepting credit/debit cards. Checking in, they can charge you minimum fare and checking out they can charge you remainder. They could also charge you maximum fare and return remainder on checkout. You can even keep track of card and give discounts for multiple rides. All without registration. Works with watches and phones too.

Our system uesd to accept credit/debit. Unfortunately on a bus circa 1999, you don't have an always-available connection to the payment processing center, so you settle all the transactions back at the barn. One of my so-called friends just carried around an expired credit card, and rode the bus with impunity. The fare box accepted anything that seemed legit. So it's reasonable to see why that sort of payment method…

Post by andrewshadura » Sun, Feb 05, 2023, 10:11 AM UTC

brw wrote: post #69

Symbiote wrote: post #20

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In London you can use a normal contactless debit or credit card or NFC payment on a phone for public transport. This is great for Londoners, and even better for visitors who don't need to figure out what they need to buy or how to top up a card. I don't belive the ticket apps being discussed keep a balance, but I haven't used them myself.

I believe that since February 1st (so 4 days ago) you can also use contactless debit and credit cards for train travel throughout the entirety of the Netherlands. I think that most if not all regional public transport providers, for say bus/tram/metro, already support it as well. Can't use it when you have a subscription though, so a lot of people here will still be using their plastic public transport cards for pers…

Post by nly » Sun, Feb 05, 2023, 10:20 AM UTC

Shaanie wrote: post #113

michaelt wrote: post #110

> they also gain the ability to more precisely track the ticket’s usage across the network and minimise fraud. Except mobile tickets make fraud trivial - getting off the train without a ticket, at a station with a ticket barrier? Just show them your powered off phone and say 'my phone died' and they'll let you out, no questions asked.

Sure, but presumably because it's not worth the effort to verify rather than an inability to do so, no? If their priorities change, claiming your phone is out of battery seems unlikely to allow you to avoid a fine.