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Re: Netlify acquires Gatsby

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Post by whatshisface »

corywatilo wrote: post #78
bluSCALE4 wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds like they behaved exactly how you expected them to. You can't get upset because the threshold was passed.

IIRC they had recently added a user cap on self-serve customers which was new and led to this. The new pricing deck they sent was "It will be $3,500/mo, but until the end of the month, you can get it for only $2,500!" (Pricing approx.) $2,500/mo to host a static site is ludicrous.

I don't get it, why can't these companies just limit the number of people with credentials for the seat-licensed website?

Re: Netlify acquires Gatsby

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Post by UlisesAC4 »

schnebbau wrote: post #8

People still use Gatsby?

I do. I find it better to have the information that I want as static generated in a graphql environment so I can query it wherever I want in the application. Next.js has some "inflexible" rules for the static generated content gathering. For dynamic content both are good.

Re: Netlify acquires Gatsby

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Post by kilburn »

phawksworth wrote: post #84
joshmanders wrote: post #45

Vercel has Next.js, Shopify just acquired Remix, now Netlify Gatsby. This is bad news for full stack JavaScript applications and ecosystem. This is gonna cause vendor lock-in, it's already showing in some of them. Open source is losing and something needs to change. I am seeing a future where you have to rewrite your whole app in a different framework just to change hosts.

[Disclaimer: I work in the Netlify DX team] I recognize that fear. And have made similar observations of the current landscape. Our hope in this instance is actually that the opposite is true. The goal of this acquisition is not to OWN a JavaScript framework. Gatsby Inc is far bigger than Gatsby.js The Gatsby.js project will join the Solid.js and Eleventy open source projects that Netlify already support through full…

> Meanwhile, Gatsby Inc have created very powerful build and content orchestration tooling which is currently only available to Gatsby.js users. This acquisition will result in those capabilities being made available to any frameworks further helping all comers to the frameworks landscape.

This sounds ridiculous to me. The "powerful build and content orchestration tooling" of Gatsby Inc. is basically the same stuff that everyone else is doing in this space. This includes:

- The traditional Gatsby competitors (Vercel, GH Pages).

- Heroku, Fly.io and similar.

- Cloud-specific options such as AWS Amplify.

Re: Netlify acquires Gatsby

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Post by madeofpalk »

fatih-erikli wrote: post #46
madeofpalk wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who's "they" - Netlify or Gatsby?

Does it matter? How many person do you know around your circle, uses netlify or gatsby? It sounds like a cdn business to me

Isn't a CDN just a wrapper around Dell?

Re: Netlify acquires Gatsby

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Post by sholladay »

corywatilo wrote: post #69

Netlify lost my trust a year ago when they tried to increase our company's pricing more than 10x. (We were paying ~$200/mo, then they tried to force us into a $2,500+ plan because we were 1 seat over their self-serve threshold.) From my perspective, they were adding features just to find ways to grow revenue. (I get it, you don't have a huge moat by simply hosting static sites.) But their features seemed very out of…

Vercel has betrayed my trust and expectations perhaps more than any other provider. They advertised open standards and then did a bait-and-switch to proprietary systems. They also broke our automated deployment pipeline out of the blue and called it a feature, not a bug. They don’t seem to care much about security, either. [1]

If you want “old reliable” that works how you expect it to, with the ease of use of a modern platform, and one that won’t break the bank, my pick would be Cloudflare or Render.

1. https://github.com/vercel/vercel/issues/856

Re: Netlify acquires Gatsby

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Post by bombcar »

ilrwbwrkhv wrote: post #91
bradgessler wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there a “back to the basics” company or offering for hosting static sites that is essentially what Netlify was when it launched?

Just get a $5 digital ocean droplet and throw nginx on it. All the static hosting in the world at your fingertips.

Caddy is even simpler.

Re: Netlify acquires Gatsby

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Post by Rauchg »

sholladay wrote: post #115
corywatilo wrote: post #69

Netlify lost my trust a year ago when they tried to increase our company's pricing more than 10x. (We were paying ~$200/mo, then they tried to force us into a $2,500+ plan because we were 1 seat over their self-serve threshold.) From my perspective, they were adding features just to find ways to grow revenue. (I get it, you don't have a huge moat by simply hosting static sites.) But their features seemed very out of…

Vercel has betrayed my trust and expectations perhaps more than any other provider. They advertised open standards and then did a bait-and-switch to proprietary systems. They also broke our automated deployment pipeline out of the blue and called it a feature, not a bug. They don’t seem to care much about security, either. [1] If you want “old reliable” that works how you expect it to, with the ease of use of a moder…

> They advertised open standards and then did a bait-and-switch to proprietary systems

I'd love more detail on this. We have made major investments in open source and ensuring Vercel is an open platform.

◆ The Vercel Build Output API exposes all the underlying primitives of the platform for every framework to take advantage of (https://vercel.com/blog/build-output-api)

◆ We've diligently invested in standard-compliant API signatures. Serverless Functions adopted the Node.js request / response standard (as opposed to e.g.: AWS Lambda inventing a new one) and Edge Functions adopt the Web standard. We've joined WinterCG to foster this standardization effort (https://wintercg.org/)

◆ We've always invested in API compatibility between local development, self hosting and Vercel infrastructure (e.g.: `vc dev` is open source https://github.com/vercel/vercel).

◆ We're continuing to invest here. Next.js and Vercel build outputs are always getting more detailed, we're exploring support for running build outputs locally (`vc start`) as an open source offering, etc.

> they don’t seem to care much about security

We added support for your feature request, and security remains the top priority of the company. Some recent ships:

◆ https://vercel.com/changelog/access-tokens-can-now-be-scoped...

◆ https://vercel.com/changelog/share-environment-variables-acr...

◆ https://vercel.com/changelog/expiration-dates-now-available-...

◆ https://vercel.com/changelog/protected-preview-deployments-a...

◆ https://vercel.com/changelog/increased-security-with-view-on...

◆ https://vercel.com/changelog/enhanced-security-with-new-api-...

Re: Netlify acquires Gatsby

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Post by throwingrocks »

joshmanders wrote: post #45

Vercel has Next.js, Shopify just acquired Remix, now Netlify Gatsby. This is bad news for full stack JavaScript applications and ecosystem. This is gonna cause vendor lock-in, it's already showing in some of them. Open source is losing and something needs to change. I am seeing a future where you have to rewrite your whole app in a different framework just to change hosts.

Pure FUD

Re: Netlify acquires Gatsby

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Post by throwingrocks »

9dev wrote: post #55
joshmanders wrote: post #45

Vercel has Next.js, Shopify just acquired Remix, now Netlify Gatsby. This is bad news for full stack JavaScript applications and ecosystem. This is gonna cause vendor lock-in, it's already showing in some of them. Open source is losing and something needs to change. I am seeing a future where you have to rewrite your whole app in a different framework just to change hosts.

Counter to this, there’s SvelteKit, for example, which provides „adapters“ for the different platforms, eg. Netlify, Vercel and Cloudflare. I hope that’s the way we’re going to oppose this movement as a whole.

Remix does the same FWIW
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