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EA is .40/kw or $.31/kw + $4/mo membership. Our electrical utility in the south is $.13-.17/kw So to fill a Tesla battery from near empty to full ~80kwH is around $25.
You get 250 mileage? Seems like a draw with a diesel car
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You get 250 mileage? Seems like a draw with a diesel car
Commercial fast charging as your only fueling option is definitely not the best way to use an EV. 4 cents per kWh at 10pm is the way. Instead of a device that you monitor the tank fill status on a day to day basis, treat it like a phone that's always full when leave in the morning. The paradigm shift is refreshing in that regard. Yes, a significant minority of people do not yet have good access to home charging yet.…
Refueling becomes less a place you have to go and more a thing you do as part of the vehicle. Like paying for parking. I think a lot of drivers have been so conditioned to needing to go to a gas station they still treat charging as going to a gas station, except to charge.
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Time to rediscover the drive-in restaurant. Only in 2023, it has: 1. Fast charging in every spot; 2. Espresso and high-margin dessert-in-a-cup drinks served right to your vehicle; 3. Free high-speed unlimited WiFi for customers. Why get out of your car to walk to the restaurant next door? Connect to the free WiFi, turn on the charging, and place your order. Then relax in your car and leave a low-effort comment on Hac…
Add a high-tech charging dock or a self inserting charging snake and you don't even have to get out of the car.
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Add a high-tech charging dock or a self inserting charging snake and you don't even have to get out of the car.
I believe the OP was talking about the old style drive-through where you parked and the server came to your vehicle to take your order. The order taker can plug your car in for you too. What an "interesting" combination of high tech and low tech...
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#115One often over looked aspect of EVs are their relative fragility compared to a ICE vehicle. I see it as an analog/digital divide. You can get an ICE to temporarily run with all sorts of deficits, incorrect inputs, or hacks. It will still kinda work. EVs are way more digital. If one thing in the chain breaks the bit flips to false and you're done until the tow truck comes and an expert with special, secret knowledge a…
No heat cycling rubber parts, solvents sloshing around, measuring flow of explosive mixtures, all the finicky bits of fuel injection and transmissions.
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#116Gas pumps get periodic state issued inspections. Why not EV chargers?
Because it’s a regulatory Wild West right now. It’s probably assumed that chargers would be certified under electrical regulations.
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Really seems like perverse incentives to me... EA was created due to the VW scandal, and they were forced to spend this money this way. Except, VW's bread and butter is still gas cars. They're not incentivized to herald EVs at all; if anything, they'd prefer it to go as slowly as possible so they can continue to make money off their gas fleet.
Right now, sure but doesn't seem to be their strategy long term. Why would they purposefully sabotage that as you're suggesting? https://www.volkswagen-newsroom.com/en/strategy-3912
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#118Earlier quoted context omitted.
Really seems like perverse incentives to me... EA was created due to the VW scandal, and they were forced to spend this money this way. Except, VW's bread and butter is still gas cars. They're not incentivized to herald EVs at all; if anything, they'd prefer it to go as slowly as possible so they can continue to make money off their gas fleet.
VW has repeatedly stated that they aim to stop producing ICEs by 2035. This is very likely to happen considering that the EU wants to ban registrations of ICE powered cars in the same year.
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#119Is "Electrify America" partly or fully owned by Big Oil?
Some locations even only support paying with their RFID card that you can only get by mail. Imagine arriving at a station and surprise, you need to wait 5 working days to charge!
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Right now, sure but doesn't seem to be their strategy long term. Why would they purposefully sabotage that as you're suggesting? https://www.volkswagen-newsroom.com/en/strategy-3912
Whether it's purposeful or not doesn't matter. Right now Electrify America gives EV charging a bad rap. Tesla shows large scale charging networks are economically viable, and really Tesla should be pushing their network open ASAP, as you can sell fast charging at a serious premium and it would literally be free money for a network that currently is underutilized.
I consider any manufacturer that isn't making moves in that direction to be demonstrating an unserious attitude toward EVs. CCS is a total shambles in the United States and its headwind should cast doubt on any advertised optimism from manufacturers using CCS.