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Electrify America “fries” EVs at charging stations

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Re: Electrify America “fries” EVs at charging stations

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EA is .40/kw or $.31/kw + $4/mo membership. Our electrical utility in the south is $.13-.17/kw So to fill a Tesla battery from near empty to full ~80kwH is around $25.

You get 250 mileage? Seems like a draw with a diesel car

If you have at-home charging and mainly commute a huge perk is never hitting a gas station up. Getting a slower charge over night is better for your battery and better for your sanity (being able to skip the pump).

Re: Electrify America “fries” EVs at charging stations

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You get 250 mileage? Seems like a draw with a diesel car

Commercial fast charging as your only fueling option is definitely not the best way to use an EV. 4 cents per kWh at 10pm is the way. Instead of a device that you monitor the tank fill status on a day to day basis, treat it like a phone that's always full when leave in the morning. The paradigm shift is refreshing in that regard. Yes, a significant minority of people do not yet have good access to home charging yet.…

The great thing about EV charging is you can do it almost anywhere there is electricity available. You can do it at home, a charging station, the supermarket, visiting friends or family, or at the park. I've literally hung out and asked friends to plug in while we're in the back playing cards. And when we're done the battery is topped up and its only cost me ~$2 and case of beer.

Refueling becomes less a place you have to go and more a thing you do as part of the vehicle. Like paying for parking. I think a lot of drivers have been so conditioned to needing to go to a gas station they still treat charging as going to a gas station, except to charge.

Re: Electrify America “fries” EVs at charging stations

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Time to rediscover the drive-in restaurant. Only in 2023, it has: 1. Fast charging in every spot; 2. Espresso and high-margin dessert-in-a-cup drinks served right to your vehicle; 3. Free high-speed unlimited WiFi for customers. Why get out of your car to walk to the restaurant next door? Connect to the free WiFi, turn on the charging, and place your order. Then relax in your car and leave a low-effort comment on Hac…

Add a high-tech charging dock or a self inserting charging snake and you don't even have to get out of the car.

You mean a teenager?

Re: Electrify America “fries” EVs at charging stations

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Add a high-tech charging dock or a self inserting charging snake and you don't even have to get out of the car.

I believe the OP was talking about the old style drive-through where you parked and the server came to your vehicle to take your order. The order taker can plug your car in for you too. What an "interesting" combination of high tech and low tech...

Yes, and old fogies like me can walk around such places proudly wearing our tee shirts that read: "To you, it's retro. To me, it's nostalgia."

Re: Electrify America “fries” EVs at charging stations

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One often over looked aspect of EVs are their relative fragility compared to a ICE vehicle. I see it as an analog/digital divide. You can get an ICE to temporarily run with all sorts of deficits, incorrect inputs, or hacks. It will still kinda work. EVs are way more digital. If one thing in the chain breaks the bit flips to false and you're done until the tow truck comes and an expert with special, secret knowledge a…

On the other hand, I feel my leaf shares only the reliable components with an ICE car. Battery. Electric motor. Hvac and whell bearings. All the stuff I can expect to go for 5 years at a time easily on an ICE.

No heat cycling rubber parts, solvents sloshing around, measuring flow of explosive mixtures, all the finicky bits of fuel injection and transmissions.

Re: Electrify America “fries” EVs at charging stations

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Gas pumps get periodic state issued inspections. Why not EV chargers?

Because it’s a regulatory Wild West right now. It’s probably assumed that chargers would be certified under electrical regulations.

Right, and the electrical regulators/inspection agencies probably assume the state DOT is in charge of inspections.

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Really seems like perverse incentives to me... EA was created due to the VW scandal, and they were forced to spend this money this way. Except, VW's bread and butter is still gas cars. They're not incentivized to herald EVs at all; if anything, they'd prefer it to go as slowly as possible so they can continue to make money off their gas fleet.

Right now, sure but doesn't seem to be their strategy long term. Why would they purposefully sabotage that as you're suggesting? https://www.volkswagen-newsroom.com/en/strategy-3912

Whether it's purposeful or not doesn't matter. Right now Electrify America gives EV charging a bad rap. Tesla shows large scale charging networks are economically viable, and really Tesla should be pushing their network open ASAP, as you can sell fast charging at a serious premium and it would literally be free money for a network that currently is underutilized.

Re: Electrify America “fries” EVs at charging stations

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Really seems like perverse incentives to me... EA was created due to the VW scandal, and they were forced to spend this money this way. Except, VW's bread and butter is still gas cars. They're not incentivized to herald EVs at all; if anything, they'd prefer it to go as slowly as possible so they can continue to make money off their gas fleet.

VW has repeatedly stated that they aim to stop producing ICEs by 2035. This is very likely to happen considering that the EU wants to ban registrations of ICE powered cars in the same year.

That is twelve years from now. Even assuming they stick to that plan, which I feel is a naive assumption considering how often they've failed to meet EV plans previously, they can easily continue poisoning the EV waters today and for several years to come.

Re: Electrify America “fries” EVs at charging stations

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Is "Electrify America" partly or fully owned by Big Oil?

There's Shell Recharge in Europe and I've literally never seen any of their chargers working properly.

Some locations even only support paying with their RFID card that you can only get by mail. Imagine arriving at a station and surprise, you need to wait 5 working days to charge!

Re: Electrify America “fries” EVs at charging stations

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Right now, sure but doesn't seem to be their strategy long term. Why would they purposefully sabotage that as you're suggesting? https://www.volkswagen-newsroom.com/en/strategy-3912

Whether it's purposeful or not doesn't matter. Right now Electrify America gives EV charging a bad rap. Tesla shows large scale charging networks are economically viable, and really Tesla should be pushing their network open ASAP, as you can sell fast charging at a serious premium and it would literally be free money for a network that currently is underutilized.

If I were a company still on the low side of EV volume (GM, Ford, BMW, Mercedes, etc.), I would be seriously in negotiations with Tesla to adopt NACS and join the Supercharger network, allowing our customers to avoid the debacle of CCS.

I consider any manufacturer that isn't making moves in that direction to be demonstrating an unserious attitude toward EVs. CCS is a total shambles in the United States and its headwind should cast doubt on any advertised optimism from manufacturers using CCS.

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