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Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Post by WheelsAtLarge »

password11 wrote: post #34

This is why I'm so grateful to work in SWE where skills and progress are somewhat objective. If such a situation occured with my boss I could just resign and have a new job in a couple weeks. Their loss. But in management you've spent years at the company building up to your current role, and you're just kinda stuck with people. Can't imagine how stressful it would be to be in that person's position.

"I could just resign and have a new job in a couple weeks. Their loss."

Lawsuits follow you. Once employers do a background checks they will know about any lawsuit you are involved in any way. They are publicly available for anyone to find.

Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Post by bluefirebrand »

eh9 wrote: post #97
bluefirebrand wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I dunno where you all are working but I've never worked on any software team that was exclusively white and male.

Of course, statistically speaking, it was probably only 80-90% white male.

Skewing heavily male I will grant you, but not even close to being majority white in almost all cases.

But that puts it right in line with your average computer science or software engineering cohort at any given university, so I'm really not sure what your problem is.

Like I get you might think it's unfair there aren't more women in software but I'm not sure what you want us to do about that my dude.

We can't just force more girls into software if they aren't interested in it.

Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Post by Slothrop99 »

bathtub365 wrote: post #41
selcuka wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This doesn't explain why this one wasn't escalated as it has become a media storm as well.

HR exists to protect the company, but they still have to be good at their jobs.

True. And HR is not necessarily this intelligent diabolical force "protecting the company". They are often the biggest source of company gossip! If they see you on their level, they'll say all kinds of stuff. They probably assumed this manager would have some sense and stop getting drunk and touching abs, and then went into ass-covering mode when she went on the warpath.

When you have a division between salary and wage workers, HR has a certain role. Between managers, its all politics.

Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Post by CoastalCoder »

muzani wrote: post #106
CoastalCoder wrote: post #87

I was interested to notice how I formed my initial guess about the man's credibility. The factors included: - How attractive was he vs. the woman? - I noticed he has 7 kids, and went to Providence College. So I'm guessing a devout Roman Catholic, which would mean he (publicly, at least) has a world view that values marital fidelity. - In his LinkedIn profile [0], he claims that his family started basically a charity…

I always try to avoid making a guess on someone's credibility in these situations. Such stories are usually polarised for various reasons. In the past, whenever I've made guesses, I'm wrong half the time. My reasoning for one situation was that the harasser was known for making dirty jokes and was misinterpreted, but oh no, he turned out to be a creep. It's always horrifying to make the wrong call on this, so it's ju…

FWIW, I agree that it's important to withhold judgment until all sides of a story have been presented.

I just posted my initial thought process because I found it interesting.

Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Post by SilasX »

nullc wrote: post #98
SilasX wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not in those words, no. But if you're that resentful about being laid off, and talking to the media about what a cosmic injustice it is rather than, "oh, well, I guess I can start spending some of the interest on the fortune I built up from 16 years at Google", then yes, you do still need the job badly.

Hm? If you need work and are laid off you don't get mad: you get another job. You get mad if you were working for prestige, connections, or power-- things you can't just replace by getting another job.

>Hm? If you need work and are laid off you don't get mad: you get another job.

Some people do both -- from the context, it sounds like Moore also hopes to replace it with a similar job, while also venting to anyone in the media who will propagate his framing about what a horrible injustice it is that Google can pay him a fortune and keep him around for 16 years.

>You get mad if you were working for prestige, connections, or power-- things you can't just replace by getting another job.

And this fits your model of someone eager to trade personal time for the prospect of power even when his material needs are met? From the link:

>>"This also just drives home that work is not your life, and employers — especially big, faceless ones like Google — see you as 100% disposable," Moore said.

>>"Live life, not work," he added.

Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Post by rjzzleep »

knocte wrote: post #101
grapehut wrote: post #72

These stories leave a bad taste in my mouth. It hasn't yet gone to court, so the guys allegations could be really be anything from the God's honest truth all the way to a complete fabrication. Yet there is a huge amount of irreparable damage by public stories like this. I was once personally on the receiving end of a complete false sexual harassment allegation from a coworker almost at random (someone I had almost no…

> I'm still a bit jaded that there are absolutely zero repercussions of making false claims. There is this crime called "false accusation", you could have chased that?

Last CCC I attended a free Assange activist told me that a lot of people approached her asking her why she would defend a rapist.

Unfortunately for certain things one the damage is done most people will never notice when it changes. The thing that struck me as odd here is that the news article has photos and names. Not that it would make that much of a difference, but I do remember a time when suspects in the news would be named Ryan O. and Tiffany M. The people directly involved would obviously know who this is about.

In one of the valley startups I worked, I disliked a colleague, because I thought she wasn't good at what she did. I do mumble things(unrelated to people) when I think and I'm a generally distant person to strangers. I kinda knew the feeling was mutual, but what I didn't know until a year after I'd left was that she went around telling people that I talked about her boobs, which was such an odd thing for me to comprehend.

Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Post by [deleted] »

WheelsAtLarge wrote: post #111
password11 wrote: post #34

This is why I'm so grateful to work in SWE where skills and progress are somewhat objective. If such a situation occured with my boss I could just resign and have a new job in a couple weeks. Their loss. But in management you've spent years at the company building up to your current role, and you're just kinda stuck with people. Can't imagine how stressful it would be to be in that person's position.

"I could just resign and have a new job in a couple weeks. Their loss." Lawsuits follow you. Once employers do a background checks they will know about any lawsuit you are involved in any way. They are publicly available for anyone to find.

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Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Post by newyankee »

qazpot wrote: post #88
newyankee wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know someone who lost his entire life, children and financial condition after being levied with false cases in urban India. Yes, even in a country like India in the urban and educated areas the laws are so anti male that there is not much a person can hope for. He was acquited after many years but the wife did not face any legal repercussions.

India has had a long standing culture of torturing and burning because of dowry and female foeticide. However, the judicial system instead of fixing the problem went ahead and created lopsided insane laws which are now being exploited.

The issue is instead of helping the women that actually need these laws, they are mostly exploited by a small minority of urban, educated women to their own ends.

Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Post by galacticaactual »

grapehut wrote: post #72

These stories leave a bad taste in my mouth. It hasn't yet gone to court, so the guys allegations could be really be anything from the God's honest truth all the way to a complete fabrication. Yet there is a huge amount of irreparable damage by public stories like this. I was once personally on the receiving end of a complete false sexual harassment allegation from a coworker almost at random (someone I had almost no…

Curious where this sentiment was when all the metoo stuff was happening. The slightest departure from “trust all women” or anything calling for presumption of innocence was met with vitriolic blowback.

Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Post by [deleted] »

caminante wrote: post #86
kodah wrote: post #18

Probably worth noting this story was first published by the New York Post. Take that for what you will. That said, this is a pretty wild turn of events. From the initial and continued sexual harassment/assault to the racism, and subsequent retaliation. More curious is the very direct "your team is too male" and the encouragement to fire someone. I've heard this hinted at before, but never said out loud for obvious re…

> Probably worth noting this story was first published by the New York Post. Take that for what you will. Instead of an ad hominem dogwhistle, please describe how the paper's political leanings could bias its reporting here. At face value, it's workplace sexual assault allegations with a power imbalance.

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