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Re: Domain Registry Takes Sci-Hub’s .SE Domain Name Offline

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kelthuzad wrote: post #60
verdverm wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What about everyone else after the 100k? What recourse are they left with when their domain is/was taken by another party? Which party should own the domain? How would doubly registered domains be resolved?

They will remain on their original tld, so brand.com will remain brand.com, they just won't automatically receive their own brand tld, unless they manually start the auction themselves.

so those below 100k were not reserved, a squatter bought their brand tld, what recourse do they have? What about new brands that have reached the 100k mark since the great reservation?

Re: Domain Registry Takes Sci-Hub’s .SE Domain Name Offline

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Post by verdverm »

loktarogar wrote: post #76
viksit wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

curious what “malicious” use cases a decentralized name registry enables that dns doesn’t?

you're focusing on the first part (what it enables) and not the last part (without any way to mitigate)

This, for example I lost my keys or my keys were stolen

Re: Domain Registry Takes Sci-Hub’s .SE Domain Name Offline

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Post by kelthuzad »

verdverm wrote: post #111
kelthuzad wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They will remain on their original tld, so brand.com will remain brand.com, they just won't automatically receive their own brand tld, unless they manually start the auction themselves.

so those below 100k were not reserved, a squatter bought their brand tld, what recourse do they have? What about new brands that have reached the 100k mark since the great reservation?

if a brand was not significant enough to reach internet search significance why should they be entitled to their own tld? why should be some company "co" from country x be more entitled to their own tld than the company co with the same name from country y? If they feel they are, they can a) manually start and win the auction b) buy the tld c) use an alternative like .brandHQ,.getbrand,.usebrand or whatever d) just keep using their original domain brand.com, which is the most simple and straight forward solution that requires no effort on their part.

By your logic the evolution of the internet would forever stagnate because developers would be stuck reserving an infinite amount of tlds that keep on popping up, it's just unrealistic and not pragmatic. reserving 100k of the most popular domains is a good faith effort and a pragmatic solution.

And if you want to talk about fairness let's first start talking about the corruption of ICANN[0][1][2] before criticizing emerging solutions.

[0] https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/sep/21/icann-int...

[1] https://www.politico.com/news/2022/04/09/website-domain-more...

[2] https://circleid.com/posts/20210413-insult-and-injury-of-us-...

Re: Domain Registry Takes Sci-Hub’s .SE Domain Name Offline

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Post by verdverm »

kelthuzad wrote: post #113
verdverm wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

so those below 100k were not reserved, a squatter bought their brand tld, what recourse do they have? What about new brands that have reached the 100k mark since the great reservation?

if a brand was not significant enough to reach internet search significance why should they be entitled to their own tld? why should be some company "co" from country x be more entitled to their own tld than the company co with the same name from country y? If they feel they are, they can a) manually start and win the auction b) buy the tld c) use an alternative like .brandHQ,.getbrand,.usebrand or whatever d) just k…

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Re: Domain Registry Takes Sci-Hub’s .SE Domain Name Offline

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Post by kelthuzad »

verdverm wrote: post #114
kelthuzad wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

if a brand was not significant enough to reach internet search significance why should they be entitled to their own tld? why should be some company "co" from country x be more entitled to their own tld than the company co with the same name from country y? If they feel they are, they can a) manually start and win the auction b) buy the tld c) use an alternative like .brandHQ,.getbrand,.usebrand or whatever d) just k…

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Re: Domain Registry Takes Sci-Hub’s .SE Domain Name Offline

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Post by verdverm »

kelthuzad wrote: post #115
verdverm wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Was I trying to make an argument?

I'm pretty sure I was asking about edge cases that are hard to deal with so that I might understand how the other party thinks before formulating deeper opinions.

Are you seeing straw men where there are none?

Re: Domain Registry Takes Sci-Hub’s .SE Domain Name Offline

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Post by kelthuzad »

verdverm wrote: post #116
kelthuzad wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Was I trying to make an argument? I'm pretty sure I was asking about edge cases that are hard to deal with so that I might understand how the other party thinks before formulating deeper opinions. Are you seeing straw men where there are none?

>Was I trying to make an argument?

No and that's exactly the problem, we're not on reddit. You asked me a question and I elaborated in a detailed manner to which you responded in a low quality manner with no substance which was just name calling.

>I'm pretty sure I was asking about edge cases that are hard to deal with so that I might understand how the other party thinks before formulating deeper opinions.

I gave several perfectly valid solutions that are pragmatic and realistic, if you don't like them, then you can point them out and explain your reasoning but resorting to hand-wavy rants won't be constructive or helpful for any serious dialogue.

Re: Domain Registry Takes Sci-Hub’s .SE Domain Name Offline

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Post by verdverm »

kelthuzad wrote: post #117
verdverm wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Was I trying to make an argument? I'm pretty sure I was asking about edge cases that are hard to deal with so that I might understand how the other party thinks before formulating deeper opinions. Are you seeing straw men where there are none?

>Was I trying to make an argument? No and that's exactly the problem, we're not on reddit. You asked me a question and I elaborated in a detailed manner to which you responded in a low quality manner with no substance which was just name calling. >I'm pretty sure I was asking about edge cases that are hard to deal with so that I might understand how the other party thinks before formulating deeper opinions. I gave se…

> why should be some company "co" from country x be more entitled to their own tld than the company co with the same name from country y?

Because in some cases, that is the rule. See Rule #5 https://github.com/handshake-org/hs-names

> if a brand was not significant enough to reach internet search significance why should they be entitled to their own tld?

Why should any brand be entitled to such things?

> but resorting to hand-wavy rants won't be constructive or helpful for any serious dialogue.

Can you quote where I did this? I could for you

Re: Domain Registry Takes Sci-Hub’s .SE Domain Name Offline

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Post by kelthuzad »

verdverm wrote: post #118
kelthuzad wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Was I trying to make an argument? No and that's exactly the problem, we're not on reddit. You asked me a question and I elaborated in a detailed manner to which you responded in a low quality manner with no substance which was just name calling. >I'm pretty sure I was asking about edge cases that are hard to deal with so that I might understand how the other party thinks before formulating deeper opinions. I gave se…

> why should be some company "co" from country x be more entitled to their own tld than the company co with the same name from country y? Because in some cases, that is the rule. See Rule #5 https://github.com/handshake-org/hs-names > if a brand was not significant enough to reach internet search significance why should they be entitled to their own tld? Why should any brand be entitled to such things? > but resortin…

> Because in some cases, that is the rule. See Rule #5 https://github.com/handshake-org/hs-names

How does the rule in any shape or form contradict what I have stated? It says: "The domain must not collide with a higher-ranked domain. For example, google.co.uk would lose to google.com. Only the owner of the higher-ranked domain is able to redeem it"

Point is that many developers invested a lot of time and effort into establishing rules for reservation to maximize fairness, so when a domain is not reserved my statement above applies: why would some company co in country x be more entitled to the one in country y? After all the reservation rules have been applied and determined some specific reservation outcome. There are some proposed solutions in that case too, some of which I have outlined before.

>Why should any brand be entitled to such things?

Exactly, but you are the one making a fuss about in the first place.

>Can you quote where I did this? I could for you

I already did, it's your rant directly to my long elaboration to your question. I'm not going to further entertain your flame baits, everybody can see how much effort each of us put into thoughtful responses and can judge accordingly.

Re: Domain Registry Takes Sci-Hub’s .SE Domain Name Offline

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Post by verdverm »

kelthuzad wrote: post #119
verdverm wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> why should be some company "co" from country x be more entitled to their own tld than the company co with the same name from country y? Because in some cases, that is the rule. See Rule #5 https://github.com/handshake-org/hs-names > if a brand was not significant enough to reach internet search significance why should they be entitled to their own tld? Why should any brand be entitled to such things? > but resortin…

> Because in some cases, that is the rule. See Rule #5 https://github.com/handshake-org/hs-names How does the rule in any shape or form contradict what I have stated? It says: "The domain must not collide with a higher-ranked domain. For example, google.co.uk would lose to google.com. Only the owner of the higher-ranked domain is able to redeem it" Point is that many developers invested a lot of time and effort into…

>Why should any brand be entitled to such things?

>> Exactly, but you are the one making a fuss about in the first place.

Does this mean you believe there should not have been any reservations?

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