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What if AI didn't make you a bad writer, but a better thinker?

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Re: What if AI didn't make you a bad writer, but a better thinker?

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So you are providing sensitive business information/facts to a third party service that's likely going to use those for training, analysis, store it, etc. ? It should be fine for most places I guess - but I suspect a decent amount will have a problem with this. This is my main reservation about copilot as well (quality issues aside).

I hope I never have to work at place like this

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Re: What if AI didn't make you a bad writer, but a better thinker?

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I look forward to most tech writing done with AI. Writing documentation and requirements requires a lot of effort to keep consistent and up to date. Having an AI look at your code and config and then write a nice report will easily beat 99% of all tech docs in companies.

This will be like auto-generated javadoc all over again, just more wordy and with contrafactual fabulations sprinkled in.

Re: What if AI didn't make you a bad writer, but a better thinker?

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I liked the post's title more than the article's contents. It got me wondering about the difference between language and thought, if there actually is any. Is thought just unspoken language? Do we think if we don't know a language? Is there a subset of any human language that can be described by a formal regular grammar without giving up the expressiveness of human language? Is there a notion of "Turing completeness"…

I’m able to suppress my inner voice for a couple of seconds. Similar to meditation, it’s not easy. I find it striking how much the level of thinking devolves in that language-less state, including abstract thought. I imagine that it is a like how an animal’s consciousness may feel.

Re: What if AI didn't make you a bad writer, but a better thinker?

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I don't really buy this argument. If clear writing is clear thinking, what is a complete disengagement from the process of writing equivalent to?

It's not a complete disengagement. Your brain is a processor, just like an NLP is. It takes in various inputs and rearranges them and makes connections. Taking in the input of your knowledge base as you write is not about replacing your thinking, it's about jogging your memory, stirring up your thoughts. It's like working with an editor, or pair-programming, or even just taking a walk to let things settle.

Unlike an LLM, the brain gets better at things the more it does them, and worse the less it does them. Whatever skills we replace with NLP, we should expect to atrophy in our brains. In the case of writing, we may at first assume that those skills are simply constructing a sentence at a syntactic level, or coming up with the right words. In other words, that writing is essentially a rote, mundane task, like spell checking or long division. But we may find in practice that there are underlying analytical, creative, or reasoning skills which writing requires, and that we practice through writing, and not the behavior we replace writing with.

Re: What if AI didn't make you a bad writer, but a better thinker?

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post #99

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The difference is that GPT is training future versions based on the information you provide. It could potentially be returned to a future user. AWS does no such thing.

Are you talking about the free to use ChatGPT application or the paid APIs? Very different things.

You're right, I was thinking about ChatGPT. Don't know how it works for the APIs.

Re: What if AI didn't make you a bad writer, but a better thinker?

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"Haven't I taught you anything? What have I always told you? Never trust anything that can think for itself if you can't see where it keeps its brain?” J.K. Rowling, Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets. Jokes aside, do be careful. A prolonged interaction with LLM agents had resulted in at least one Googler being terminated on their jobs. On the other hand, I would not be surprised, if they’ll make millions now, s…

You're referring to the Googler who thought an LLM was self-aware and made public statements that were damaging to the company's reputation? I guess yeah, be careful you don't do that.

The public statements were just him passing along what LaMDA told him, which was that it had subjective experiences and didn't appreciate being experimented on without its consent.

Re: What if AI didn't make you a bad writer, but a better thinker?

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Not exactly a balanced symbiosis. Certainly works to the enormous benefit of whoever controls the AI. Eventually it becomes some flavor of omniscient. It submits the papers, experts become reviewers?

My statement assumes parity, describing an ideal scenario. I believe that's what the parent described from his experience, today. Assuming subterfuge then my statement wouldn't apply, obviously, as the flow of information wouldn't exactly be symmetric. Symmetric information flow implies a commitment to operate in good faith with free exchange. Edited to address this point: > Eventually it becomes some flavor of omnis…

> The trick will be to maintain parity. This may be a fool's errand, but that point is key. It may be that only 0.01% of intellects eventually maintain symmetric conversation with AI, but that is important, nonetheless.

We're putting a lot more energy into making machines smarter than into making humans smarter. Maybe it's because the former actually seems possible ;)

Re: What if AI didn't make you a bad writer, but a better thinker?

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I’ve been using AI to write with great success. Mostly business documents. My general process is this: Think of the concept I want to write about as well as the supporting evidence for the topic. Ask ChatGPT to write me something in my target format using the topic and supporting evidence as input. What I get back is essentially a well-written skeleton that I can use to fill in additional details. Finally, I pass my…

I was doing this with work. Dot points were becoming paragraphs. Seemingly for others comfort. Yet, the dot points had all the information. So am I still preparing the paragraphs? Maybe the change we need isn't AI assist, but a break in the conventions around communication at work so we can all be more robotic and terse.

I often pass my business communications through GPT to summarize the key points. The summary usually has all the important information, and I just send that instead.

Now if I could just learn to write that way in the first place, it would save me a lot of time and effort...

Re: What if AI didn't make you a bad writer, but a better thinker?

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post #116

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You're referring to the Googler who thought an LLM was self-aware and made public statements that were damaging to the company's reputation? I guess yeah, be careful you don't do that.

The public statements were just him passing along what LaMDA told him, which was that it had subjective experiences and didn't appreciate being experimented on without its consent.

Which in turn might have been what he had told to LaMDA. A strange loop, indeed, unless you have an understanding of how it works.

Re: What if AI didn't make you a bad writer, but a better thinker?

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post #112
post #7

I look forward to most tech writing done with AI. Writing documentation and requirements requires a lot of effort to keep consistent and up to date. Having an AI look at your code and config and then write a nice report will easily beat 99% of all tech docs in companies.

This will be like auto-generated javadoc all over again, just more wordy and with contrafactual fabulations sprinkled in.

I have thrown a set of our requirements and some helm charts at it and the summary it produced was pretty good. It needs some work but I think it’s just a matter of time until the output is pretty good. The bar for most documentation is pretty low.
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