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Re: Microsoft Azure Outage

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Post by vineyardmike »

saghm wrote: post #64
edf13 wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's updated now - updates for service outages at this level generally need signoff form someone higher up the chain

Someone has to "approve" the status pages showing what's actually happening? From a customer perspective, it seems far worse to have status pages fail to reflect actual outages than to have them accidentally report an outage when there isn't one because no one really cares about what the status page says if they're not having issues. It's hard to see how the goal here could be anything other than trying to add plausi…

> it seems far worse to have status pages fail to reflect actual outages than to have them accidentally report an outage when there isn't one

Thats not the goal.

> It's hard to see how the goal here could be anything other than trying to add plausible deniability for what would otherwise be obvious deception

Thats the goal. The "status page" is considered the source of truth for most of the big contracts. If status-page=OK then your contract with them isn't violated. So changing the status page is a big deal, with real financial implications. The status page isn't a view into the SRE's tickets, its a declaration that the service isn't being provided.

Re: Microsoft Azure Outage

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Post by dachryn »

hardware2win wrote: post #27
dustedcodes wrote: post #18

Azure is the most developer hostile cloud environment. I have zero sympathy for people being affected by this because if you voluntarily use Azure then this is what you deserve. Sorry for being so miserable, but Azure has given me soooo much grief over the last 10 years that I'm just completely done with this shitshow of a platform.

Ive used gcp and ive been billed like 10% of minimal wage for setting GCPs demo with like 7 very simple microservices (i dont remember exactly) 4 times and every of them was running like 5 minutes after being deployed and then project was killed Shit is expensive as hell For the same money I could rent some weak linux box for a year Or something decent for a month Edit 10ms https://github.com/GoogleCloudPlatform/micr…

what you show there should cost like 300/month to run. Its very transparent pricing, its just bad that the tutorial doesn't mention that.

You do realize what you setup in that tutorial right? A kubernetes cluster with 11 full scale microservices that are dimensioned so they can serve the average medium size business. For only a hobby this is huuuuuuugely overdimensioned.

If you were to do the same on azure, it would cost more. If you are comparing it to a cheap linux box, what the hell are you using kubernetes clusters for then?

Re: Microsoft Azure Outage

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Post by alar44 »

ibejoeb wrote: post #90
dsign wrote: post #34

This makes you wonder if some centralization patterns, i.e. Azure AD, are not a national security problem?

Azure AD is a nightmare. I don't know how many of you sign in to multiple tenants in the console, but it generally involves buying a new computer.

Almost no one, probably.

Re: Microsoft Azure Outage

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Post by dachryn »

tialaramex wrote: post #102
ngrilly wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nothing is forcing companies to sign an Azure contract with Microsoft, and go with AWS or GCP instead. Perhaps they are just doing something right. But I didn't use Azure myself. I'd be curious to know what's good or bad about it compared to GCP and AWS.

For a development team, here's an example of something good about Azure: Microsoft gives us dev accounts with monthly Azure credits (e.g. $100) and you cannot spend more when those credits run out because there is no credit card etc. behind that account to charge the excess. Azure just like other cloud services (I've used AWS but as I understand it GCP is the same) doesn't believe in timely billing. You can and will…

GCP gives me an invoice every first of the month, automatically.

It also offers budget caps, but indeed, those are more a warning and not a hard shutdown. That's annoying. Same at microsoft by the way, except indeed that developer credit as a failsafe.

Google gives 100k free credits to universities and startups by the way (and even to individual departmens if you are a big university). You just have to apply and let them bring in trainers and you have to actually use a percentage, otherwise they take it away the next year.

Re: Microsoft Azure Outage

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Post by dachryn »

tialaramex wrote: post #108
madduci wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Many companies use Active Directory. The new kid in the block is Azure Active Directory (AAD), which is the evolution of the self-hosted Windows Servers. Since many companies rely on it, especially for role base access to internal resources, you can't avoid it as a developer/employee.

Azure Active Directory is not Active Directory but on Azure.

the people buying these things obviously have no idea about that. Migrating to Okta or something else neutral would cost the same, but hey, that's a different name

Re: Microsoft Azure Outage

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Post by 2Gkashmiri »

UK-AL wrote: post #103
saghm wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Someone has to "approve" the status pages showing what's actually happening? From a customer perspective, it seems far worse to have status pages fail to reflect actual outages than to have them accidentally report an outage when there isn't one because no one really cares about what the status page says if they're not having issues. It's hard to see how the goal here could be anything other than trying to add plausi…

You can't approve a fact.

well.... if that fact can be delayed by just a tiny bit... that's enough

Re: Microsoft Azure Outage

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Post by jiggawatts »

wrldos wrote: post #59
dustedcodes wrote: post #18

Azure is the most developer hostile cloud environment. I have zero sympathy for people being affected by this because if you voluntarily use Azure then this is what you deserve. Sorry for being so miserable, but Azure has given me soooo much grief over the last 10 years that I'm just completely done with this shitshow of a platform.

Migrating stuff off it now to AWS (not my stuff). Couldn't agree more. Total shit show.

Curious to hear about the specifics...

Re: Microsoft Azure Outage

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Post by marvinblum »

hobofan wrote: post #29

Not sure if it's directly related, but GitHub is also experiencing issues: https://www.githubstatus.com/

"We are investigating reports of issues with Actions. This looks related to Azure networking issue which is impacting multiple regions. We are seeing improvements and will continue to monitor this."

Re: Microsoft Azure Outage

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Post by ed_elliott_asc »

maushu wrote: post #31
MuffinFlavored wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Sorry for being so miserable, but Azure has given me soooo much grief over the last 10 years that I'm just completely done with this shitshow of a platform. And yet it continues to rake in billions + grow 20-40% month over month (even if it is slowing)

Because it's not the developers that choose the platform and Microsoft knows that.

I’d choose azure tbh - have used it because of work but am happy to stick with it.
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