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How the blog broke the web (2017)

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Re: How the blog broke the web (2017)

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Post by jollyllama »

pantulis wrote: post #75
nickelpro wrote: post #9

Reference sites still exist, Wikipedia isn't organized by reverse-chronological and MediaWiki is a far more formidable CMS than MT ever was. Same goes for ReadTheDocs, Sphinx, Jekyll, Hugo, or any number of static site generators that power the infinite libraries of documentation, reference material, and personal sites on the web. What the author is bemoaning is the loss of the eclectic, bespoke, personal-style of ho…

Someone, some day, will write an elegy of how TikTok broke social networks.

And they won't be wrong.

Re: How the blog broke the web (2017)

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Post by satellas »

Al-Khwarizmi wrote: post #39
nickelpro wrote: post #9

Reference sites still exist, Wikipedia isn't organized by reverse-chronological and MediaWiki is a far more formidable CMS than MT ever was. Same goes for ReadTheDocs, Sphinx, Jekyll, Hugo, or any number of static site generators that power the infinite libraries of documentation, reference material, and personal sites on the web. What the author is bemoaning is the loss of the eclectic, bespoke, personal-style of ho…

As I say in a sister thread, I transitioned from handmade websites to blogs as the author describes, and then from blogs to social media. The reason was also what the author describes: convenience. I am the same person. I don't think I was more of a nerd when I wrote personal websites in 1998 than when I wrote blogs in 2002 or social media posts later. So I do think the tools have a lot to do with the changes describ…

I think ease of use is part of it, but in my opinion there's also something else: reach. Sure, you could spend a week or two coding your own personal website... but how many people are going to actually see it? A lot of people don't leave their social media walled gardens nowadays. A tweet has a much higher chance of actually being seen by people with much less hassle.

Re: How the blog broke the web (2017)

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Post by jaredhallen »

nickelpro wrote: post #9

Reference sites still exist, Wikipedia isn't organized by reverse-chronological and MediaWiki is a far more formidable CMS than MT ever was. Same goes for ReadTheDocs, Sphinx, Jekyll, Hugo, or any number of static site generators that power the infinite libraries of documentation, reference material, and personal sites on the web. What the author is bemoaning is the loss of the eclectic, bespoke, personal-style of ho…

I see quite a few posts on HN that are nostalgic about the early web. But I would say that there's an interesting take here about the shift to a preference for newer content. No doubt SEO has a lot tondo with it.

Re: How the blog broke the web (2017)

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Post by mansoon »

pjc50 wrote: post #57
mansoon wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All relationships are parasocial.

I don't think your wife would appreciate that. (joking, but the point is that non-para-social relationships, "real" ones, exist and can usefully be distinguished)

This works perfectly for my wife.

I once believed in real relationships.

They’re just ideas running through meat.

Re: How the blog broke the web (2017)

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Post by mansoon »

maxbond wrote: post #82
mansoon wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure I agree with this. Once you look closely enough, the distinction collapses. I used to think otherwise, but that was largely based on a refusal to look, knowing that if I did, the perceived reality would fall apart, and the naked nothing would be revealed.

What do you mean by parasocial here?

Bidirectional channel.

TCP.

But with respect to the shared net. The experience that makes a dent in the fabric of reality as shared or known by all, personalizes the universe to a subdomain.

Once I had the words. Now that’s gone too.

Re: How the blog broke the web (2017)

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Post by maxbond »

mansoon wrote: post #115
maxbond wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you mean by parasocial here?

Bidirectional channel. TCP. But with respect to the shared net. The experience that makes a dent in the fabric of reality as shared or known by all, personalizes the universe to a subdomain. Once I had the words. Now that’s gone too.

For sure, but I think the confusion here is that that's more or less the opposite of how most people use it.

Like for me, the way I experience parasocial relationships most vividly is in educational YouTubers with a particular niche. I'll binge their videos and then they become emblematic of that domain of knowledge to me. And I'll have little imagined chats with them when I have ideas about that domain, where they generally take the opposite side of a view I might be developing and debate me. But really this is just the voice I've always talked to in my head wearing a mask, I don't know who these people are.

To borrow your analogy, they're sending unicast datagrams, and I'm sending TCP to their same address, but there's a firewall rule remapping it to localhost.

If the words come to you, I'm still listening, but there's 0 Pascals of pressure.

Re: How the blog broke the web (2017)

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Post by Viliam1234 »

I think a good solution is to have both a wiki and a blog. They serve different needs.

Wiki is for maintaining information that can later be updated. New pages can start very short, or maybe just a list of links; you will expand them later, or maybe not.

Blog is where you write something when you have a coherent message, and then the article becomes read-only, a part of history.

In the past I would have added "forum" as a third category, but these days it is probably better to use an existing platform. You need to go where other people are, unless you want to become a full-time moderator of your own forum.

What else is there? Sometimes you want to make an interactive application. Or maybe upload some photos (but you could also do that in a blog or on a wiki).

An alternative approach would be to only install a wiki, and implement the blog on it, e.g. using pages like "2023-01-20" for blog articles.

Re: How the blog broke the web (2017)

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Post by nintendo1889 »

voltaireodactyl wrote: post #5
kerrsclyde wrote: post #2

I have a client who's web site is a series of pages within folders, no database, no scripting, html pages only. It's a complete joy to work on. Problems are rare and easily resolved, I look forward to updating it. I can't help thinking more small and medium sized web sites should be setup like this.

This with added markdown support is basically how blot.im works and it’s what got me actually working on a site (albeit in blog ish format). Not affiliated just a happy customer.

What do you think about trump 'selling secrets', in the light of the recent story of Sergey Shestakov and Charles McGonigal?

Again, I don't like taking sides. Just searching for absolute truth. We will never get there, but we can try.

ref to your comment here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34019912

Re: How the blog broke the web (2017)

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Post by voltaireodactyl »

nintendo1889 wrote: post #119
voltaireodactyl wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This with added markdown support is basically how blot.im works and it’s what got me actually working on a site (albeit in blog ish format). Not affiliated just a happy customer.

What do you think about trump 'selling secrets', in the light of the recent story of Sergey Shestakov and Charles McGonigal? Again, I don't like taking sides. Just searching for absolute truth. We will never get there, but we can try. ref to your comment here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34019912

This is a thread focused on markdown and html based SSBs. If you would like to continue our political discussion, you are welcome to contact me on my website, where I occasionally write about related issues. But HN guidelines suggest this unrelated thread is not the place for such a conversation.
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