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Artist banned, told to “find a different style”- AI-made art

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Re: Artist banned, told to “find a different style”- AI-made art

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Post by Turing_Machine »

EGreg wrote: post #70
cyborgx7 wrote: post #19

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There is no collective or democratic management, unless the tyrannical overlords choose to allow it. "Total private tyranny, with delegation of authority" is correct. What it leaves out is that anybody else can make a competing subreddit, dedicated to the same issue, where they have control. The only thing getting there first does is prime realestate in the namespace and network effects of having an existing communit…

Ah, so like Valve Software then. On a related note, the only reason the United States' citizens directly vote for the President is at the pleasure of the State Legislatures. The Constitution allows them to choose the manner in which electors are elected, and they in theory could elect them directly (by specifying this before election day), usurping the power from the public. https://www.justsecurity.org/73274/no-stat…

Almost no countries have a directly-elected chief executive. Certainly that's not the case in the bulk of countries with parliamentary systems. For instance, outside of his own district ("riding", I think they call it there), no Canadian even saw Justin Trudeau on the ballot, and the few who did only saw him as a candidate for Member of Parliament, not Prime Minister.

What typically happens in those countries is that the party hacks of whichever party (or coalition of parties) has a majority get together and decide who's going to be the Big Cheese. The average voter has little or nothing to say about it. Voters who are registered members of the majority party or parties may have a (small) degree of influence, but the ones who belong to other parties don't get a say.

Worse, most Canadian parties actually charge you dues to belong to them (to its credit, Trudeau's party is not one of these). No pay, no say.

Re: Artist banned, told to “find a different style”- AI-made art

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Post by greggarious »

hbn wrote: post #87
Mezzie wrote: post #60

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I wonder if/how a hard limit on number of communities moderated would work? Make it so one person could only mod 2-3 subreddits. Unfortunately, this would require some work from Reddit the company to keep those same powermods from just making new accounts so probably won't happen.

They already have rules about making secondary accounts to evade bans, upvote yourself, etc. If anything it'd probably be easier to enforce a "no moderating a bunch of subreddits across multiple accounts" rule since it's mainly bigger subreddits that matter, and "mod teams of big subreddits" is a smaller group of people to monitor. And if there was really some big conspiracy to skirt around this system they'd have to…

>They already have rules about making secondary accounts to evade bans, upvote yourself, etc.

If that rule was enforced, huge swathes of the so called power mods (and admins) would be removed. That's probably why, much like Twitter, they declined to hire me on to work on anti-abuse technology.

The so called humans in the loop are evil and replaceable.

Re: Artist banned, told to “find a different style”- AI-made art

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Post by traverseda »

richbell wrote: post #31
andsoitis wrote: post #12

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What do you think would be a better model? I have a hard time imagining one. It doesn't seem all that different to me than whoever is first to claim a company name, a domain name, or when we go back further in time, land.

The problem this is that historically a person will create a subreddit, add other moderators, and then vanish. The other moderators will build up the community and culture of the subreddit, and then one day years down the road the top moderator returns and decides they want to make unilateral changes that the actual moderators are powerless to contest.

I'd say that's a feature, not a bug. I've done it. In my particular case shortly after the beginning of covid some mods wanted to ban all discussion of hobbyist medical 3D printing, things like 3D printed masks and even those Prusa face shields.

I didn't think that we had the expertise to be the judges of truth in that area (it was during those few weeks where the governmentwas saying "don't use masks", and these moderators agreed with that), and the relationship quickly deteriated.

Re: Artist banned, told to “find a different style”- AI-made art

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Post by Mezzie »

yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #80
generalizations wrote: post #44

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I wonder if the simple solution is to prevent mod accounts from interacting on the subreddits they moderate.

I'm almost in favor, but I would worry that for really small communities that deprives the sub of its biggest contributor

Maybe implement it once the community reaches a certain size/certain volume of posts?

Re: Artist banned, told to “find a different style”- AI-made art

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Post by s3000 »

tazjin wrote: post #3

Reddit's weird setup where essentially random people who were first "own" entire categories (= subreddits) of discussion is totally absurd.

The weirder thing is that redditors make it possible to own categories.

The name of the subreddit shouldn't matter much at all. For each category there are several subreddits but people don't actively move to the subreddits with the best moderators.

For aggregators as a whole, it's the same. Places like https://tildes.net/ don't have many visitors even though Reddit's flaws should incentivize significant amounts of users to try other aggregators.

Re: Artist banned, told to “find a different style”- AI-made art

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Post by Sebb767 »

generalizations wrote: post #44
benjaminbachman wrote: post #2

The only real news here is that Reddit mods are power mad tyrants, which is nothing new at all. AI generated art has just given them newer, funnier ways to be in the wrong.

I wonder if the simple solution is to prevent mod accounts from interacting on the subreddits they moderate.

This would probably make the situation worse. You'd remove the incentive for people who moderate for the good of their own community, leaving only those who do so for the power they get (which are probably worse mods, though I don't have a citation for that).

Re: Artist banned, told to “find a different style”- AI-made art

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Post by jjcon »

numpad0 wrote: post #95
habibur wrote: post #37

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Trained on 5 billion images to create a 6 GB model. Every image contributed no more than a few bits of information.

Billion and Giga is both 10^9, so about 6/5 or 1.2 byte or 10 bits, and somehow enough to regurgitate examples from training set[0]. Oh how convincing “AI is just learning as humans do” arguments are. 0: https://twitter.com/kortizart/status/1588915427018559490

Well I TIL humans are incapable of copying another piece of art even when asked to do so

Re: Artist banned, told to “find a different style”- AI-made art

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Post by EGreg »

root_axis wrote: post #69
EGreg wrote: post #8

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Sorry, I am not familiar with reddit’s model. What is “ownership” in this case? Total private tyranny, with delegation of authority? Does it transition to collectively and more democratically managing the channel, as stackexchsnge does?

It's a web forum for shitposting, not a government for a country. Using hyperbolic language like "private tyranny" to talk about unpaid moderators curating a stream of news articles and posts typifies the terminally online madness of the current zeitgeist.

It's true, there is no violence involved. Private tyranny is a technical description.

Re: Artist banned, told to “find a different style”- AI-made art

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Post by splatzone »

bufferoverflow wrote: post #106

And that's the argument I've been making. Once you can't tell the difference between AI-made art and human-made art, the demand for human-made art will dramatically decrease, especially in the commercial areas. If it takes a human a month to paint something beautiful, and 1 minute for AI, it's really hard to compete with AI. The best we have is Midjourney V4, and it's getting quite close.

This is why I believe we’ll soon see a huge increase in the popularity of ‘physical’ art. Theatre, sculpture, dance… in a world overflowing with computer made images and sounds, things which can only be human-made will be all the more special.

Re: Artist banned, told to “find a different style”- AI-made art

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Post by kurisufag »

rascul wrote: post #109
dragontamer wrote: post #24

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IRC Network administrators tend to enforce "official" names (owned by a particular group) vs "unofficial" names. For example, "#Ubuntu" is owned by the Ubuntu devs. While the unofficial ##Ubuntu is just fan owned. This already is a huge step forward compared to Reddit, where you aren't even sure which subreddits are owned by the corporation / official groups, or if they're "fan run". Are you sure /r/Ubuntu is a fan-r…

> IRC Network administrators tend to enforce "official" names (owned by a particular group) vs "unofficial" names. For example, "#Ubuntu" is owned by the Ubuntu devs. While the unofficial ##Ubuntu is just fan owned. I didn't realize this was a thing outside of Libera, and maybe Freenode still. But then, I haven't been on other networks in quite some time.

I don't think it is. That said, the Freenode extended universe is the only corner of IRC that's really designed for official project communications.
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