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On why I gave up drinking in my early twenties

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Re: On why I gave up drinking in my early twenties

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I mean until they're $17 pre-tip, your drink is under $20. And yeah, most good cocktail bars except the absolute fanciest (like, nationally known) are running at half the price this person was saying. It's in incredible exaggeration.

It's really not. Go visit Los Angeles. Or Las Vegas. Even the freaking Washington Post was complaining. Washington. In 2015. I'm not going to argue definitions of a "good cocktail bar" but the point is, they ain't cheap these days. And a karma tip, if a drink is $15-16 pre-tip, you should not consider that drink to cost "under $20" https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/food/gulp-howd-we-g...

I'm really wondering in what world you think a 20% tip is in need of a "karma tip".

And that article is bemoaning $12 and $15 cocktails. I'm not arguing that those are cheap. I am arguing that they aren't 20-30 dollar drinks, which is what the original post said. You've backed off from that by 30-50%.

And I agree you can find 16 or 18 dollar drinks in many places, I never argued otherwise. But you can't find $30 dollar drinks, much less pre tip, which is what the original post implied. And I'm not interested in you arguing for arguments sake. The original claim was that the cheapest drink on the menu was 17 and that most were 20-30. Find me a bar with those prices. I'll wait. But until then, don't pretend that a menu of mostly $14 cocktails fits the bill.

Re: On why I gave up drinking in my early twenties

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Quitting alcohol seems to be in vogue these days. I'd like to offer a counterpoint: I love to drink. By the government definition, I'm a very heavy drinker. I have 1 - 3 glasses of wine a night to relax after putting my child to bed. Of course, I do go many days without drinking when life gets in the way. But I certainly enjoy my night time ritual.

But what I really love about drinking is socializing over drinks. No, I don't mean the physical effects of the alcohol. What I like about socializing over a drink or three is that you're almost entirely focused on your conversation partners. People aren't focused on a board game, activity, or food. A group out drinking has made a commitment to one another that they're going to socialize in raw form. I like that.

Re: On why I gave up drinking in my early twenties

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's really not. Go visit Los Angeles. Or Las Vegas. Even the freaking Washington Post was complaining. Washington. In 2015. I'm not going to argue definitions of a "good cocktail bar" but the point is, they ain't cheap these days. And a karma tip, if a drink is $15-16 pre-tip, you should not consider that drink to cost "under $20" https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/food/gulp-howd-we-g...

I'm really wondering in what world you think a 20% tip is in need of a "karma tip". And that article is bemoaning $12 and $15 cocktails. I'm not arguing that those are cheap. I am arguing that they aren't 20-30 dollar drinks, which is what the original post said. You've backed off from that by 30-50%. And I agree you can find 16 or 18 dollar drinks in many places, I never argued otherwise. But you can't find $30 doll…

Beauty and Essex LA.

> I'm really wondering in what world you think a 20% tip is in need of a "karma tip

Because only "that guy" pays for a $16 drink with a $20 and demands a dollar in change. Lol. But you're immune, because, I can already tell, you go to bars and pay the slammed bartender with a credit card.

Re: On why I gave up drinking in my early twenties

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Drinking, much like smoking, starts in the teenage years, not as an act of rebellion but as an aspirational goal of adulthood. It's something adolescents will frequently see as a marker of adulthood and reach for the marker as a way to bridge the difficult years where they are too old to be children and quite there as adults. Of course, these markers take on a life of their own, even when they have outlived their original purpose.

Re: On why I gave up drinking in my early twenties

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post #113

Quitting alcohol seems to be in vogue these days. I'd like to offer a counterpoint: I love to drink. By the government definition, I'm a very heavy drinker. I have 1 - 3 glasses of wine a night to relax after putting my child to bed. Of course, I do go many days without drinking when life gets in the way. But I certainly enjoy my night time ritual. But what I really love about drinking is socializing over drinks. No,…

> I have 1 - 3 glasses of wine a night to relax after putting my child to bed.

I'm sorry but I have to acknowledge that 1-3 glasses a night by yourself is a lot of drinking. I was the same way with weed. It didn't have any major affects on my life until I quit smoking and I realized my life was way better without it.

I'm some random idiot on the internet so feel free to ignore my take, but finding ways to relax without alcohol will make your life so much better.

Re: On why I gave up drinking in my early twenties

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I definitely noticed this with a lot of people I worked with in engineering. They were quite shy and a bit hard to crack, but once they had a drink or two at a work event they were very sociable and easy to talk to. And outside of these situations they never really drank. So I think for them, alcohol was never really an issue.

This pretty closely describes how/why I usually drink as a dev. While sober I can function socially more than well enough to get along in the day to day without issue, but it’s much much smoother if I’ve had some alcohol (but not too much). I also tend to focus more squarely on my conversation partner when I’m buzzed, whereas sober my head is all over the place, plus I don’t get bored with the conversation or lose en…

Humanity has been bonding over beer for thousands of years - I'd guess it's adaptive and selected for.

The cultural signaling of whether it's cool to give it up or not just comes in waves imo (outside of people with more serious drinking issues). Right now it's cool to say you don't drink so there's lots of these blog posts, same category as people that tell you 'they don't even have a TV'. It's not that interesting, but generates a lot of commentary from people in both directions and I think it's mostly some form of social status thing.

I've noticed a similar thing with young people thinking it's cool to be religious after a swing for a bit in the other direction. There's always some points you can get for doing the less common thing in certain circles.

Re: On why I gave up drinking in my early twenties

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post #113

Quitting alcohol seems to be in vogue these days. I'd like to offer a counterpoint: I love to drink. By the government definition, I'm a very heavy drinker. I have 1 - 3 glasses of wine a night to relax after putting my child to bed. Of course, I do go many days without drinking when life gets in the way. But I certainly enjoy my night time ritual. But what I really love about drinking is socializing over drinks. No,…

It's in vogue because people are realizing they are actively consuming cancer juice...

Much like cigarette users had to realize they are actively inhaling cancer smoke...

You kind of act like people that don't drink can't go out, have non-alcoholic drinks, and still focus on eachother...

Re: On why I gave up drinking in my early twenties

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post #113

Quitting alcohol seems to be in vogue these days. I'd like to offer a counterpoint: I love to drink. By the government definition, I'm a very heavy drinker. I have 1 - 3 glasses of wine a night to relax after putting my child to bed. Of course, I do go many days without drinking when life gets in the way. But I certainly enjoy my night time ritual. But what I really love about drinking is socializing over drinks. No,…

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