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Facial recognition tech gets woman booted from Rockettes show due to employer

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Re: Facial recognition tech gets woman booted from Rockettes show due to employer

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Post by sunsunsunsun »

andybak wrote: post #103
raldi wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What was the phone requirement that you refused? Did they want to confiscate your phone, lock it in a bag you physically couldn’t open, seal it in an envelope you got to keep but could open in an emergency, just demand you keep it in your pocket…?

Yeah. I've never heard of this and "phoneless/phone encasing" isn't returning much. GP - what?

Not OP but there are a few performers who like to either confescate phones or place them in locked baggies to stop the people who hold their phone in the air filming a video nobody will ever watch.

In theory I like the idea but in practice I agree with OP.

Re: Facial recognition tech gets woman booted from Rockettes show due to employer

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Post by 0xdeadbeefbabe »

vleon42 wrote: post #35

I am torn actually unsure on what would be morally correct: 1. I, as an individual, am allowed to deny entry to persons I dislike from my private property. 2. I, as an individual, am allowed to deny entry to persons affiliated with a business I dislike from my private property. 3. I, as a business owner (eg: a restaurant), am allowed to deny entry to persons I dislike (eg: a previous patron who was violent) from my b…

5. Block people who are likely to have a medical emergency at your business.

Re: Facial recognition tech gets woman booted from Rockettes show due to employer

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Post by SQueeeeeL »

justanorherhack wrote: post #96
moloch-hai wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This sort of thing, everywhere, is exactly what to expect from "deregulation".

Yes and if enough people actually thought about it and cared then they wouldnt participate and the market would change. But instead just like with regulation they don't care. It's just one is forced and one is a choice.

An artistic show tend to have weirdly inelastic demand. If someone is a committed fan, they will typically pay any amount of money to "worship their idol" (not in a negative way, ritualized communal, artist performances are some of the earliest human traditions we have).

To see a society in which very few limits were placed on who could see a concert, look up Metallica playing when the USSR fell, absolutely massive.

Re: Facial recognition tech gets woman booted from Rockettes show due to employer

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Post by chroma »

monksy wrote: post #71

So I have been rejected and "banned" from a MSG venue. It's not fun, and it has nothing to do with your behavior. It was at the Chicago Theather and it was the Chris Rock show back in 2017. I bought the ticket, I don't believe that it had any special restrictions [this was a long time ago], the ticket had no indications about the "phoneless"/phone encasing demand. The event page didn't say anything about this. Howeve…

I guarantee that you clicked through some terms and conditions while buying that ticket, and it almost certainly said that phones weren't allowed. This is quite common at comedy shows because comedians develop their material over time. They don't want clips of jokes failing to land or being taken out of context, as that could hurt their career. Recording also emboldens hecklers, as one friend can record (or even livestream) while another insults the performer.

Re: Facial recognition tech gets woman booted from Rockettes show due to employer

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Post by HDThoreaun »

vagabund wrote: post #5

As unsurprising as it is absurd if you're familiar with the petulant child that is James Dolan.

Yea I think the bigger issue here is just that Dolan is an oligarch heir piece of shit and we need to rethink how inheritance works. The facial recognition stuff is an issue, but if dolan had to actually work for any of the stuff he's got I think he'd behave very differently.

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Post by crmd »

The legal rights of a corporation should rapidly decrease as it gains market power. My neighborhood bar should be allowed to 86 me for just about anything, but Madison Square Garden Entertainment, Ticketmaster, and Live Nation should not. Same thing with google and Amazon banning people from their platform for a single good faith credit card chargeback.

Re: Facial recognition tech gets woman booted from Rockettes show due to employer

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Post by slowmovintarget »

monocasa wrote: post #106
raldi wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What was the phone requirement that you refused? Did they want to confiscate your phone, lock it in a bag you physically couldn’t open, seal it in an envelope you got to keep but could open in an emergency, just demand you keep it in your pocket…?

The yondr bags are sealed faraday cages to keep you from recording the show or being on your phone.

Reading about those... They basically lock away your phone and they don't give you the key.

Not quite as bad as chaining people in their apartment buildings to keep COVID-19 quarantines, but it certainly would be reason enough for me to avoid a venue.

Re: Facial recognition tech gets woman booted from Rockettes show due to employer

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Post by theironhammer »

stickfigure wrote: post #97
advisedwang wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your totally ignore the key element here: a new technology is allowing denying entry at a whole new scale. Nobody really has an objection to organization blocking a single individual who is might cause trouble. But blocking an entire class of people is a) newly enabled* and b) much more harmful to society. If a venue kicked out a lawyer who was actively working on a lawsuit against the venue, nobody would bat an eye.…

Who cares what technology they use? They could also check ids at the door and cross-reference their naughty list. Everything seems to involve an id check these days. Maybe there's some contractual issue here - they sold you a ticket, that establishes a contract, they're breaking the contract by denying you entry. They should have performed the naughty check earlier in the process? I think it's all pretty stupid but o…

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