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Binance outflows hit $6B as Mazars halts ‘proof of reserves’ work

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Re: Binance outflows hit $6B as Mazars halts ‘proof of reserves’ work

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Interesting how the players change but the script is exactly the same and yet, people keep falling for it. I really don't get it. I once knew some people that were up to their necks in an MLM/pyramid scheme, it was like a cult, no matter how many examples you gave them of people ending up losing their shirts they would buy more of the crap and stuff it in every nook and cranny of their house being sure that they were…

I mean what else are they supposed to say?

"I invested my families money or corporate funds in a lower yielding account resulting in me being poor or having gotten fired from my pension management advisory position years ago".

Chase that yield, or get replaced by someone who will.

Re: Binance outflows hit $6B as Mazars halts ‘proof of reserves’ work

#112

Even an audited exchange like Coinbase that is trying to do everything right is still self reporting loses like $430M in quarter 1 of 2022 just by operating their business correctly. Not your keys, not your crypto. Anyone storing their crypto on any exchange has this risk.

Even if you have the keys, it’s not your store of value, as people will find out when this implodes. What are your keys worth if the price of Bitcoin is close to zero?

Bitcoin has already reached 50% of the 27 year lifespan of the average fiat currency.

https://cointelegraph.com/news/bitcoin-is-already-at-40-of-a...

Re: Binance outflows hit $6B as Mazars halts ‘proof of reserves’ work

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Mazars is not lower tier. They're not in the big four but they are quite large and well respected, at least they were until they - and BDO, another large accounting firm - were flagged as insufficient in terms of oversight by the UK regulators. See: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-07-20/mazars-bd... So they're on thin ice and they will not risk going down with this particular ship.

They are by definition lower-tier, as they don't have the resources to run an audit for a firm that purportedly maintains billions in reserves. A contract of that size wouldn't end up at a regional arm in South Africa anyway. Big 4 auditors aren't exactly cheap, but there is a reason why they audit all the major firms. Mazar's biggest customer appears to be the Trump Organization.

> as they don't have the resources to run an audit for a firm that purportedly maintains billions in reserves

I don't think the resources are the real problem.

The real problem is that Mazars has already been cautioned and they know full well that if Binance goes under their reputation is toast if they keep underwriting them.

Re: Binance outflows hit $6B as Mazars halts ‘proof of reserves’ work

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There is a reason why banks have stress tests. And there is no reason this shouldn't apply to exchanges.

The seem to be banks and exchanges. NYSE and Nasdaq are exchanges but don't hold customer funds they execute trades and that is it. These crypto exchanges are more like banks...and that is the problem. Until banks allow crypto accounts and connection to exchanges this will keep happening.

Re: Binance outflows hit $6B as Mazars halts ‘proof of reserves’ work

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Cz said to CNBC that the big four can't audit a crypto exchange. Then the reporters told him that Coinbase is audited by Deloitte. He didn't really have an answer, it's quite awkward clip.

stinks arthur anderson isn't around anymore, problems like this is what they were made for

Does Mazars have a consulting arm ready to spin off if the audit side runs into a brand-killing debacle?

Edit: they do! Maybe they can rebrand as “Emphasast”, to put the emphasis on the past. :D

Re: Binance outflows hit $6B as Mazars halts ‘proof of reserves’ work

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> “We are financially OK,” said Zhao Where have we heard this before? Oh yeah: FTX is fine. Assets are fine.

Interesting how the players change but the script is exactly the same and yet, people keep falling for it. I really don't get it. I once knew some people that were up to their necks in an MLM/pyramid scheme, it was like a cult, no matter how many examples you gave them of people ending up losing their shirts they would buy more of the crap and stuff it in every nook and cranny of their house being sure that they were…

> the script is exactly the same and yet, people keep falling for it. I really don't get it.

For every voice attempting to warn others, there are 10 others shouting them down with claims of FUD/jealousy/fiat shill. Just visit the subreddits of any of the dead exchanges/rugpull coins.

Re: Binance outflows hit $6B as Mazars halts ‘proof of reserves’ work

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"Binance has said it holds more than $60bn in assets, enough to honour withdrawals. The company’s disclosures do not include its liabilities, which makes it difficult to ascertain its financial health." Possibilities: 1) They're insolvent. Liabilities exceed assets. (Like FTX.) 2) Their accounting is so screwed up they can't produce a balance sheet. (Like FTX). 3) They have a large number of interconnected corporate…

> 3) They have a large number of interconnected corporate entities and nobody has the big picture. (Like FTX). This isn't true, is it? FTX had The issue was more with (1) and (2).

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Re: Binance outflows hit $6B as Mazars halts ‘proof of reserves’ work

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> 3) They have a large number of interconnected corporate entities and nobody has the big picture. (Like FTX). This isn't true, is it? FTX had The issue was more with (1) and (2).

FTX had more than 100 entities. You can find the org chart in the bankruptcy filing or here: https://qz.com/ftx-bankruptcy-filing-reveals-a-remarkably-co...

Source: Page 30

https://pacer-documents.s3.amazonaws.com/33/188450/042020648...

Re: Binance outflows hit $6B as Mazars halts ‘proof of reserves’ work

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

stinks arthur anderson isn't around anymore, problems like this is what they were made for

Does Mazars have a consulting arm ready to spin off if the audit side runs into a brand-killing debacle? Edit: they do! Maybe they can rebrand as “Emphasast”, to put the emphasis on the past. :D

https://www.mazars.com/Home/Services/Consulting

Re: Binance outflows hit $6B as Mazars halts ‘proof of reserves’ work

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They are in the top 10 in my country and in many others, and they have been cautioned, which is regulator speech for 'improve your act or we'll go after you'. That means that they are on thin ice with respect to any future mistakes (specifically in their crypto division) and that their reputation (for the whole company) is at risk. The effect is that they will go through their customer portfolio and decide which ones…

I may have misunderstood. The first paragraph of your comment seems reassuring (like it's just risk aversion at Mazars) but then: > If this was a canary in the coalmine it just started wheezing strangely and it looks a little dizzy. sounds like a reason to leave the mine (i.e. there's something really wrong and this is a warning sign).

In this analogy, the canary is Mazars and the mine is crypto. Nothing about the comment is reassuring for crypto.
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