Systemd.timer, an Alternative to Cron

Post by pm90 » Fri, Dec 09, 2022, 4:13 AM UTC

mariusor wrote: post #106

egberts1 wrote: post #100

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I think a link prominently placed on their website would be helpful. Also systemd documentation isn't compliance with: * Tutorial * Explaination * How To * Reference For instance, I want to know which part of systemd uses `SYSTEMD_DEBUG`. Hold on ... I am digging thru the Git repo. Screw the systemd manual: Here's my environment variable reference guide for debugging systemd (that is NOT documented by systemd) https:…

> I think a link prominently placed on their website would be helpful. It's such a weird disconnect seeing people that can't go outside of the mindset that everything is a web application. Systemd ships their documentation (most of what you asked for, actually) with the package, and their environment variables description can be found in /usr/share/doc/systemd/ENVIRONMENT.md (at least on my machine). When you're deal…

Post by jjav » Fri, Dec 09, 2022, 4:57 AM UTC

pikrzyszto wrote: post #15

ghostpepper wrote: post #5

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Binary log files is another example of something that could have advantages in theory but never seems to work well in practice. What used to be "tail /var/log/nginx.log" is now man journalctl journalctl -u nginx journalctl | grep nginx go back to man page to look for more options to search etc

"tail /var/log/nginx.log" is now "journalctl -fu nginx" or "jouranlctl -eu nginx". Not that much of a difference, it really depends what you grow up with. We could argue "tail" is ugly because you never know if it's "tail /var/log/nginx.log" or "tail /var/log/nginx/nginx.log". A nice feature is that journald gives you flags like "--boot" to see logs only emitted during a specific boot, or "--since '5m ago'" which is…

Post by mariusor » Fri, Dec 09, 2022, 6:22 AM UTC

pm90 wrote: post #111

mariusor wrote: post #106

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> I think a link prominently placed on their website would be helpful. It's such a weird disconnect seeing people that can't go outside of the mindset that everything is a web application. Systemd ships their documentation (most of what you asked for, actually) with the package, and their environment variables description can be found in /usr/share/doc/systemd/ENVIRONMENT.md (at least on my machine). When you're deal…

> It's such a weird disconnect seeing people that can't go outside of the mindset that everything is a web application. I don’t think thats what’s happening here. Providing online documentation thats easy to read, easy to navigate has become quite standard of all kinda of projects and systems. My main programming environment is a mac so Im certainly not gonna have the locally installed docs anyway. Not only does a go…

Post by yawaramin » Fri, Dec 09, 2022, 6:47 AM UTC

bigpeopleareold wrote: post #12

sparker72678 wrote: post #7

You can pry my crontab out of my cold, dead hands. Seriously, though, cron has been so utterly reliable for me for so many decades now, it will be really hard for me to ever give it up.

I seemed to never care until they took my sysvinit away (or maybe any decent init system :D). Then they took resolv.conf control away. Then when I shutdown my computer, some random process takes 1 min 30 seconds to shutdown when it probably doesn't need to. Then I read on hacker news recently that Fedora uses a systemd daemon for handling OOM and the writer said it was terribly misconfigured particularly when it shut…

Post by kaba0 » Fri, Dec 09, 2022, 7:50 AM UTC

lmm wrote: post #36

pikrzyszto wrote: post #15

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"tail /var/log/nginx.log" is now "journalctl -fu nginx" or "jouranlctl -eu nginx". Not that much of a difference, it really depends what you grow up with. We could argue "tail" is ugly because you never know if it's "tail /var/log/nginx.log" or "tail /var/log/nginx/nginx.log". A nice feature is that journald gives you flags like "--boot" to see logs only emitted during a specific boot, or "--since '5m ago'" which is…

> We could argue "tail" is ugly because you never know if it's "tail /var/log/nginx.log" or "tail /var/log/nginx/nginx.log". The difference is that you can use ls to find out, the same ls that you use when working with everything else, rather than needing to know some journald-specific thing that will only ever work for journald and will no doubt change again in another 5 years.