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Twitter 2.0: Our continued commitment to the public conversation

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Re: Twitter 2.0: Our continued commitment to the public conversation

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Post by etchalon »

staunch wrote: post #76

There's no way to run a platform supported by ads that upholds anything resembling free speech. The advertising model is Twitter's fatal flaw. It puts the fate of the platform in the hands of a tiny corporate mob that are themselves subject to larger mobs. If "the mission" was truly driving Twitter, they'd drop all advertising and build enough value that some decent percentage of users would pay for it. In a few year…

Are there any social networks, in existence, at scale, which do not rely on advertising as their primary revenue source?

Re: Twitter 2.0: Our continued commitment to the public conversation

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Post by rnk »

MangoCoffee wrote: post #62
smcl wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> First Twitter was going to crash in a week Was it? I read a lot of comments saying that mass-firing people is going to cause immediate degradation in some areas like content moderation (which we have seen) and eventual unpredictable failures in others. If you saw people predicting a sudden crash I'd take their opinion with a pinch of salt in the future, sounds like quite a reactionary take. > then it was everyone w…

>Maybe. It remains to be seen whether axing so many so suddenly was survivable in the long-term financially or operationally, though. a lot of tech companies is laying off people. Amazon, Facebook...etc. DoorDash is laying off 1,250 corporate workers. https://www.cnbc.com/2022/11/30/doordash-lays-off-1250-emplo... i believe the winter (recession) is coming if not then something is going on that most if not all tech c…

Obviously something is going on, but there's not a secret info line that big companies are into. Interest rates are up, it's harder to get easy money to expand. Some companies are going to spend less money on new software, and lots of companies are trying to reduce costs because it feels like we will have a recession. At the same time, there are lots of jobs, and out of the tech world people are getting raises for hourly work, and they still can't hire enough people. $20/hour at my local mcdonalds. I am still get random job and interview requests on linked in. If you are an experienced engineer there are plenty of jobs. Google, Amazon etc has done some layoffs but they grew a lot the last 2 years. Seems like plenty of smaller companies are hiring.

Re: Twitter 2.0: Our continued commitment to the public conversation

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Post by martythemaniak »

lijogdfljk wrote: post #77
kilroy123 wrote: post #28

Let's be honest – Musk doesn't know what the hell he is doing here.

I'm starting to question how much he has ever. Has something changed with him? Or has he always been like this? If it's always been this rash, hasty and questionable then i can only imagine the real heroes are the people around him who managed to refine what he says and wants into tangible, achievable and coherent goals. Regardless of whether or not you agree with his actions these days, it does at least seem a signi…

I think what's changed is that Twitter is 1) an established thing, rather than something Musk built up and 2) not really tech.

Tesla, SpaceX, Boring Co have ambitious objectives with clear right/wrong answers. You put something in orbit or don't. Your car goes 500km with 70kWh of energy or it doesn't etc. You can inspire smart engineers to work hard to meet ambitious goals that require creative thinking.

Twitter has none of that, it is more like a club. Having the loudest speakers or brightest lights isn't going to make your club the best club. There is a certain baseline of technical competence required, yes, but mostly its about attracting the right crowd (being extra nice to some people, kicking others out) and making sure everybody has a good time. Musk might have actually succeeded with this using his previous person, but his new culture warrior schtick isn't gonna work.

Re: Twitter 2.0: Our continued commitment to the public conversation

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Post by mikeyouse »

imperialdrive wrote: post #94
kilroy123 wrote: post #28

Let's be honest – Musk doesn't know what the hell he is doing here.

Honest question - Maybe he will very quickly? I have no skin in the game, but the occasional Twitter links sent my way in group chats still load just fine, pretty fast actually, and the related page content appears to be less 'spammy'. Seems like a little progress if anything.

There have never been more spam bots in the replies and the site and apps are getting stuck in weird cache loops for the first time that I can remember. It's obviously a very robustly built platform but to me, it seems like it's coasting and hoping that nothing too big breaks.

Re: Twitter 2.0: Our continued commitment to the public conversation

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Post by everdrive »

andreyk wrote: post #12

TLDR: this post is entirely to calm advertisers, it can be boiled down to "don't worry, we still prioritize brand safety like before". It does have this gem in it: "What has changed, however, is our approach to experimentation. As you’ve seen over the past several weeks, Twitter is embracing public testing. We believe that this open and transparent approach to innovation is healthy, as it enables us to move faster an…

I largely agree with your point, but I have to say as a user I generally don’t enjoy A/B testing at all. It’s invisible to me, and some part of the app or website I’m using is now either broken or annoying in some way, but still works normally for the people I mention it to, since they’re not in my group. Additionally, the changes are sometimes totally transient, so things are disrupted for me briefly, only to be distrusted again.

Re: Twitter 2.0: Our continued commitment to the public conversation

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Post by cyberphobe »

streb-lo wrote: post #20
nmz wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its certainly a town square, just because you have your own little tavern/forum doesn't mean the town square isn't the town square.

A town square is usually a public project, maintained by the city on behalf of taxpayers. This is more like a big private club.

This is like a big private club that allows anyone to enter and has effectively taken the place of a town square, due to (among other things) lack of such a public project. It ought to be owned by the government, but we've privatized it.

Re: Twitter 2.0: Our continued commitment to the public conversation

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Post by snapcaster »

PM_me_your_math wrote: post #63
VikingCoder wrote: post #51

> Our Trust & Safety team... remains strong and well-resourced... > ...impressions on violative content are down over the past month... I think both of those claims are demonstrably false.

Can you demonstrate them as such? And can you validate your demonstration by eliminating the content produced by bots and sock puppets?

I see comments like this frequently on hackernews and i'm curious on your motivation. Do you actually use twitter so this comment isn't lining up with your expectations? Do you not use twitter and expect this person to justify their experience by doing further research? What is _actually_ motivating you to comment like this?

Re: Twitter 2.0: Our continued commitment to the public conversation

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Post by memish »

kilroy123 wrote: post #28

Let's be honest – Musk doesn't know what the hell he is doing here.

Just because you don't know what he's doing doesn't mean he doesn't know what he's doing. That's a common error in logic.

You'll also have to ignore that he's built companies that land rockets back on Earth and produce millions of EVs. He's objectively demonstrated ability.

Re: Twitter 2.0: Our continued commitment to the public conversation

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Post by phpisthebest »

yellow_lead wrote: post #73
Macha wrote: post #8

> First, none of our policies have changed. Our approach to policy enforcement will rely more heavily on de-amplification of violative content: freedom of speech, but not freedom of reach. "Nothing has changed, except..." > Our Trust & Safety team continues its diligent work to keep the platform safe from hateful conduct, abusive behavior, and any violation of Twitter's rules. The team remains strong and well-resourc…

From the same first quote - none of our policies have changed, just policy enforcement has changed. Isn't policy enforcement a part of a separate policy? The policy for policy enforcement? They really wanted to be able to say "the policy hasn't changed." This is a bigger stretch than a taffy pull.

policy vs Procedure.

you have a procedure for the policy, thus procedures can change but the policy is the same.

policy's are goals, procedures are how those goals are met, and given the wide and subjective nature of all Big Tech policies, changing in procedures are more import and impactful than changes in policy, and the procedures are never open to public review

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