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If you’re so smart, how come you’re not happy?

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Re: If you’re so smart, how come you’re not happy?

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Buddhism principles do not lock you in their system if all you want is to understand how happiness works and why you are not happy. But people just ignore it anyway. Which is precisely the problem. Why address things when you can either ignore them or you can fight against yourself, but in both scenarios you always go round and round in the same loop. In the current global consciousness, happiness is attributed to ma…

> happiness is attributed to material possessions, which ironically is also what makes you unhappy. This is a rather extreme position since beyond a certain level material possessions to not contribute to happiness but won't necessarily make you unhappy. Likewise, a complete lack of material possessions will probably make you unhappy.

> This is a rather extreme position

Only if you take a rather extreme interpretation of that position.

For the sake of argument, assume that material possessions increase happiness (or decrease unhappiness) up to a certain point, then level out, then decrease happiness as you enter a zone of "can never be satisfied" or "always comparing to ever-shifting goalposts". The irony is there, even though your statement may still be true:

> beyond a certain level material possessions [do] not contribute to happiness but won't necessarily make you unhappy. Likewise, a complete lack of material possessions will probably make you unhappy.

But that starts to feel pedantic. Perhaps a more real-world example would be smartphones. We all want to have them, but it really seems to me at least that many people would be happier if they did not have them.

Then there's always the case where once you have too much stuff, you spend more time worrying about losing it, and you find it difficult to benefit from contact with your former friends who have much less.

Re: If you’re so smart, how come you’re not happy?

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We haven't established that intelligence should imply happiness. We haven't even established that intelligence should imply the desire to be happy. If intelligence enables a person to identify problems, and problems make a person unhappy, then an intelligent person will have at least one factor that tends to increase unhappiness.

> We haven't even established that intelligence should imply the desire to be happy. Most people desire to be happy. I don't believe I need to prove this. The point was that we should be able to use our intelligence to identify and resolve issues that decrease our happiness. I think this is true to a certain extent, but there is an upper limit where solvable problems are not the limiting factor to our happiness.

>Most people desire to be happy. I don't believe I need to prove this.

Yes, but it is not all people want. Humans have a long list of values which can conflict with happiness.

Hedonism is a very popular philosophy at the moment, but it is not the only one, and other objectives often influence our daily lives.

It is possible that the optimal solution to these other values are in conflict.

Re: If you’re so smart, how come you’re not happy?

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Intelligent people see the truth of the world, the universe. If the truth, if it were good, that we lived in a wonderful society with wonderful people in a universe that cared about us, smart people would be so happy. But being smart is merely a conviction of your enlightenment to the awful reality of things. Bravo, you learned about all these awful things you can’t do much to fix, and the reward is to languish in ex…

This is the kind of overly cynical philosophy that ends up defeating itself. Obviously it can Pascal's Wager itself away (i.e. it's rational to not have this philosophy as it will tend to make one sad and ineffective with no clear benefits other than convincing yourself of your own intelligence). More importantly some of the premises are suspect at best. Intelligence doesn't reliably cause one to see the truth of the…

> Pascal's Wager itself away

I was not familiar with that term. Still, I think I disagree that a firm conviction based on perceived and/or veririfiable facts and/or experience will get subdued because "it's rational to not have this philosophy".

In case of a conflict between rational cost/benefit estimate and perceived truth I would think that truth should win at least as often as cost/benefit.

Re: If you’re so smart, how come you’re not happy?

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The headline of this post rings a bell in a weird way.

I don't really know how to define "smart" or "happy" and I'm not really anxious to label myself with either of those terms either, but I have noticed that for whatever definition of the terms that I seem to observe at various points of my life I also recurrently observe people who I believe to have significantly less of the "s" term combined with significantly more of the "h" term - so much so that I have accepted it as a trend. The world according to me seems to work like that: more brains = more problems.

Add money to the mix and it seems to blur the picture as independent of (definition of) "s" and "h" more money seems to also equal more problems.

Re: If you’re so smart, how come you’re not happy?

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Was intrigued by the title, disagree completely with the content. You can have a rewarding job and still be unhappy, you can have no job at all and be the happiest person out there. Happiness is not one-dimensional... I still think it's a fascinating topic, anyone got any better recommendations for reading up on this?

Why would you even make the connection between work and happiness ? HR and corporations don't work to make you happy, some just play you to get better job and money themselves. I've just learnt to get happiness and fulfillment in clubs, friends and family, so that some abusive managers don't have the power to make me happy or not. And I've become more minimalist. I should be able to survive, if I change of job.

Completely agree and that’s why I was so disappointed with the post. Instead of something insightful it was just a random rant from someone feeling miserable about their job.

It’s the biggest lie out there that self-fulfillment comes from working.

Re: If you’re so smart, how come you’re not happy?

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We haven't established that intelligence should imply happiness. We haven't even established that intelligence should imply the desire to be happy. If intelligence enables a person to identify problems, and problems make a person unhappy, then an intelligent person will have at least one factor that tends to increase unhappiness.

> We haven't even established that intelligence should imply the desire to be happy. Most people desire to be happy. I don't believe I need to prove this. The point was that we should be able to use our intelligence to identify and resolve issues that decrease our happiness. I think this is true to a certain extent, but there is an upper limit where solvable problems are not the limiting factor to our happiness.

How many problems do you have that would be solved with greater intelligence alone?

Greater intelligence plus years of study and hundreds of job applications might fix someone's material situation, but just being smart doesn't guarantee it will happen.

Enhanced ability to perform repeatable actions and responses is probably correlated with happiness though.

Re: If you’re so smart, how come you’re not happy?

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Unhappiness mostly comes from boredom as i see. How smart people become boring ? Because they have no enough interesting resources/knowledge to discover ? How to pursuit knowledge ? To be happy or not to be happy? That's the choice.

Smart people pursue knowledge but don't seem to pursue applications with nearly as much passion.

Re: If you’re so smart, how come you’re not happy?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It takes wisdom to be happy. Smart people are more likely to become wise over time.

> It takes wisdom to be happy. Umm, no? The world is full of happy and unwise people. "Ignorance is bliss", etc. > Smart people are more likely to become wise over time. I'm not sure if this is true either. We're talking about terms that are very difficult to properly define, but wisdom is gained through experience, and has no relation to IQ. There are many wise people we wouldn't consider intelligent, and intelligen…

> We're talking about terms that are very difficult to properly define, but wisdom is gained through experience, and has no relation to IQ.

The IQ allows you to better recognize the patterns in your experience and to faster convert them into wisdom.

Re: If you’re so smart, how come you’re not happy?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would you mind sharing a "starting point" for this? I would like to learn how happiness works and why I am not happy, I just have no idea how to navigate or approach this enourmous and sometimes conflicting concept that seems to be Buddhism.

Simple version? Try stillness. Practice sitting quiet for 30 minutes every single day at the same time for a month straight. Some call it meditation, but to get to meditation it takes a lot of practice, anything before that is sitting still and experiencing how your thoughts form themselves. The best part about this approach is that no scary monsters are going to come and get you. The only monster you'll encounter is…

Thank you! I have been trying that on and off for years. Now I have doubled down on it as I observe my toddler grow up and how being present in the moment helps him self-regulate. It's been like something finally clicked for me. I still struggle, tho, but at least have this daily reminder to renew my interest.

Do you have any references like books, lectures, blogs or any information sources on these practices and the buddhist principles behind it?

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