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Re: German privacy watchdogs conclude that Microsoft 365 is incompatible with GDPR

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Post by croes »

baxtr wrote: post #40
dhdgrygev wrote: post #35

These people keep acting like they're so clever for figuring this out, yet in reality all they're doing is giving death sentences to European companies by making them unable to use industry standard products.

People think this will hurt MS, but in reality it will also make doing business in Europe more expensive. Almost all big companies use M365. It will keep these already slow organizations busy trying to find and implement alternatives. Instead they could focus on growing their businesses. Good luck Europe.

We'll wait and see when the next MS security appears.

How many data was copied because of the MS chain of Windows->Exchange->Office?

Re: German privacy watchdogs conclude that Microsoft 365 is incompatible with GDPR

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Post by calculated »

Silhouette wrote: post #85
calculated wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I totally agree with you. I think the EU should innovate more, than just relying on the usual tech giants.

Everyone in Europe would like Europe to innovate more. Unfortunately every time European governments add more regulation they usually also make it harder to do that. You need to find the sweet spot. Too little regulation is harmful. Too much regulation is also harmful. The EU and US are near opposite ends of the spectrum at the moment and neither is an ideal place to be. The US produces many more financially successf…

I don't agree with everyone in Europe wanting to innovate more. I'm a Bulgarian citizen and from my PoV a small group of people only want to innovate. One good thing that I've noticed is that the snowball here is slowly spinning up - we have a good university trying to be on a IVY league level as much as it can (for Bulgarian levels it's good, for EU maybe just about average) which teaches people tech or whatever they want to learn. Some part of them have really sharp skills. But a big portion of them don't really care about innovation, they still have the mindset of their parents/grandparents which is: I get my bachelors, I maybe get a masters, I work one job for the rest of my life and that's it.

I'm more a fan of the EU because I think these sorts of regulations are good. The thing they do wrong here is that they do it slow. E.g. they introduce the universal USB-C port, companies won't be motivated to innovate on that tech since they know it'll take ages for the EU to update the law. So after all yeah finding a sweet spot of course is the best, the thing is that we don't know how to find it.

Re: German privacy watchdogs conclude that Microsoft 365 is incompatible with GDPR

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Post by croes »

baxtr wrote: post #49
xwolfi wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well Im european and I can tell you from the inside, it's not the same mindset at all. We dont want to grow companies, in fact we barely give a fuck at all. It s hard to understand for capitalists, and I disliked this mindset so much I moved to Hong Kong, but that s what the people vote for: they d rather have no growth and no Microsoft 365 than put their data there. People in most of Europe are truly convinced finan…

I’m also European. Thanks for the insight. I don’t agree with you. So think about that next time you say “most Europeans”.

Just because you disagree doesn't contradict "most Europeans".

Or how many are you?

Re: German privacy watchdogs conclude that Microsoft 365 is incompatible with GDPR

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Post by calculated »

tomrod wrote: post #104
calculated wrote: post #80

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@tomrod is completely right. Here in Bulgaria people have this exact mindset. Some also might just never return.

Indeed. I've heard it from Serbians, Bulgarians, Irish, Scottish, Swedish, German, Italian, Romanian, and Belgian folks that I can recall offhand, maybe more that I'm not completely recalling.

I'm actually surprised of this since I've always though of Sweeden, Germany, Italy, Belgium as very good countries. I can only speak for bulgarians as I know how the mass thinks here.

Re: German privacy watchdogs conclude that Microsoft 365 is incompatible with GDPR

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Post by hdjjhhvvhga »

pluc wrote: post #97

Is it me or does Germany switches (back?) to open-source every few years? I remember being excited they were switching to Linux (or was it Munich?) years ago

You are more or less. LiMux started in 2004. Last two points on its long timeline[0]:

* November 2017 - The city council decided that LiMux will be replaced by a Windows-based infrastructure by the end of 2020. The costs for the migration are estimated to be around 90 million Euros.

* May 2020 - Newly elected politicians in Munich take a U-turn and implement a plan to go back to the original plan of migrating to LiMux.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LiMux

Re: German privacy watchdogs conclude that Microsoft 365 is incompatible with GDPR

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Post by jbotz »

dhdgrygev wrote: post #35

These people keep acting like they're so clever for figuring this out, yet in reality all they're doing is giving death sentences to European companies by making them unable to use industry standard products.

Monopoly is not the same as "industry standard". And specifically in the case of Microsoft Office / O365 there is very little actually benefit of using it over any of the more open (and even free) alternatives... rather than being an "industry standard" it's really just an "industry default", i.e. what most companies use because no IT manager ever got fired for deploying it.

Re: German privacy watchdogs conclude that Microsoft 365 is incompatible with GDPR

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Post by SomeDog76 »

BrandoElFollito wrote: post #64
andreysolsty wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not being able to use Office is a death sentence?

Microsoft 365 is extremely widespread in companies in the EU. Not because they love Microsoft but because this is a relatively simple setup. Like Google (US) or Zoho (Indian). I do not know European companies providing a cloud solution easy to deploy (I wild truly be glad to know one).

You could look into NextCloud and their NextCloud Office if you haven't heard of it yet. If you have are there any point that speak against it in your opinion?

It's open source so you can even self host. Should be more than enough for most comapnies.

Not sure how difficult the set-up process for an enterprise environment is, I only used the docker version before. But should be viable and if a company has Money for Microsoft365 they should have money to pay to someone to set it up manage for them.

https://nextcloud.com/office/

Re: German privacy watchdogs conclude that Microsoft 365 is incompatible with GDPR

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Post by Etheryte »

dhdgrygev wrote: post #35

These people keep acting like they're so clever for figuring this out, yet in reality all they're doing is giving death sentences to European companies by making them unable to use industry standard products.

Businesses operated just fine before O365 came along and they will operate just fine after O365, this is a pretty moot point. "But they can't use what they're using right now!" Yes, that's the point, because what they're using right now is breaking the law.

Re: German privacy watchdogs conclude that Microsoft 365 is incompatible with GDPR

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Post by jokowueu »

Arathorn wrote: post #84
lgreiv wrote: post #50

My personal favorite outcome of this would be a joint public and corporate funded leap in open source development. This would do much for the budget, privacy and probably also security of businesses and private users. A good example where this principle is already in use is the Matrix protocol.

Getting the balance of this right to prevent a tragedy of the commons turns out to be hard. Element (who funds most of Matrix dev) has released almost everything we do as permissive-licensed FOSS open source. As a result, there's a huge ecosystem of folks building commercial solutions on Matrix. But surprisingly little $ actually gets back to Element (or the Matrix Foundation) from those commercial solutions, if any.

I don't have any proof but I'm certain Germany must have made some sort of funding for matrix

https://matrix.org/blog/2021/07/21/germanys-national-healthc...

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