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A Dad Took Photos of His Kid for the Doctor. Google Flagged Him as a Criminal

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Re: A Dad Took Photos of His Kid for the Doctor. Google Flagged Him as a Criminal

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Post by einpoklum »

pyuser583 wrote: post #60

Stratechery covered this … they pointed out the really f*ed: part: Google is refusing to reinstate the account. Protecting children is important. AI is imperfect. But there is no reason the keep the account suspended once it’s clear there was no wrongdoing. This man is innocent of doing anything wrong. Google had suspended him, and removed access to all his online account data. And refuses to reinstate. We balance ou…

> Protecting children is important.

Google protecting children is not important.

> This man is innocent of doing anything wrong

He is not entirely without fault: He negligently enabled surveillance of his personal files, including allowing Google to make copies of his son's genitalia / his son's private personal medicall information. He's not exactly innocent - but of course, his misdeed is not vis-a-vis the state or Google, but vis-a-vis his son, his wife and himself.

> We allow the state power to protect children

You don't allow the state anything. The state allows itself and you pretend we control the state because we get to make some choices via elections every once in a while.

Re: A Dad Took Photos of His Kid for the Doctor. Google Flagged Him as a Criminal

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Post by warbler73 »

Alupis wrote: post #67
para_parolu wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We have one side of the story because the other side (huge corporation) didn’t give any information and decided to keep ban. No transparency there. Ps. This “we will never really know” is triggered me. This phrase used by Russian propaganda when they got caught in crimes every damn time.

> We have one side of the story because the other side (huge corporation) didn’t give any information and decided to keep ban. No transparency there. I'm not sure why we expect Google to provide transparency for CSAM bans/investigations. That would be highly irregular, and not just for Google. The Dad has legal path(s) to take if he feels he was truly wronged. Paths that would ultimately cost nothing if he prevailed.…

> The Dad has legal path(s) to take if he feels he was truly wronged. Paths that would ultimately cost nothing if he prevailed. Paths that would likely force Google to undo their decision if Dad's statements are in fact the truth and Google has no other data/evidence.

San Francisco Police Department:

> “I determined that the incident did not meet the elements of a crime and that no crime occurred,” Mr. Hillard wrote in his report. The police had access to all the information Google had on Mark and decided it did not constitute child abuse or exploitation.

What more do you want from him Alupis? He was exonerated but you are suggesting he did not "do any of that" (false) to clear his name. Why would you say this given the article already rules it out?

Re: A Dad Took Photos of His Kid for the Doctor. Google Flagged Him as a Criminal

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Post by InCityDreams »

jacob019 wrote: post #49

These stories of people being banned by google without recourse are so common, it's amazing that anyone here is still using google for anything important. First of all, get off of gmail. If you do nothing else, get off of gmail. I'm very happy with fastmail, they provide email, calendar, contacts, notes, and some cloud storage for a monthly fee. I've also come to love nextcloud, I started using it to replace google p…

>I would prefer that you use firefox, but chromium works fine too.

The rest of your comment seems fair, and equally very interesting, and I'll follow up with fastmail and nextcloud - thanks, but just the particular "I would prefer that you....", seemed jarringly out of place, and made me somewhat happier I use [a heavily customised] Brave [with a very edited hosts file], for no other good reason than ff just doesn't do it for me, as much as I've tried, and tried to like it.

Re: A Dad Took Photos of His Kid for the Doctor. Google Flagged Him as a Criminal

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Post by warbler73 »

Alupis wrote: post #90
gambiting wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Really? What kind of paths? Gmail isn't a paid service - you can't force Google to continue providing you with Gmail access if they don't want to, I can't believe any court would agree to such a thing. They reserve the right to terminate your access for any reason,and since you don't have a business relationship with them in this case I wonder what could you possibly claim in front of the judge to make them reverse t…

This isn't about a free GMail account... From the article there appears to be an arbitration path (based on the dollar amount quoted in the article, but they talk about it like it would be a lawsuit) - but Dad explicitly chose not to take it for some reason. It would be very surprising if the ToS for Google Accounts didn't include an arbitration agreement. Also, Dad had a paid Google One account - filled with apparen…

Why do you continue to insinuate this man may be a pedophile when he has been completely exonerated?

Re: A Dad Took Photos of His Kid for the Doctor. Google Flagged Him as a Criminal

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Post by Herbstluft »

fersarr wrote: post #26

So, basically if I have disabled cloud backups in google photos, this shouldn't affect me right?

Aside from the fact that Google likes to randomly lock longtime users out of their accounts too sometimes, yes. Those cases happen unprompted.

Re: A Dad Took Photos of His Kid for the Doctor. Google Flagged Him as a Criminal

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Post by Alupis »

warbler73 wrote: post #112
Alupis wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We have one side of the story because the other side (huge corporation) didn’t give any information and decided to keep ban. No transparency there. I'm not sure why we expect Google to provide transparency for CSAM bans/investigations. That would be highly irregular, and not just for Google. The Dad has legal path(s) to take if he feels he was truly wronged. Paths that would ultimately cost nothing if he prevailed.…

> The Dad has legal path(s) to take if he feels he was truly wronged. Paths that would ultimately cost nothing if he prevailed. Paths that would likely force Google to undo their decision if Dad's statements are in fact the truth and Google has no other data/evidence. San Francisco Police Department: > “I determined that the incident did not meet the elements of a crime and that no crime occurred,” Mr. Hillard wrote…

He should use the legal system for what it was designed for - to settle a disagreement as per the ToS for his paid Google One account. The article even says this is an option - but he chose not to pursue it.

Re: A Dad Took Photos of His Kid for the Doctor. Google Flagged Him as a Criminal

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Post by [deleted] »

pyuser583 wrote: post #60

Stratechery covered this … they pointed out the really f*ed: part: Google is refusing to reinstate the account. Protecting children is important. AI is imperfect. But there is no reason the keep the account suspended once it’s clear there was no wrongdoing. This man is innocent of doing anything wrong. Google had suspended him, and removed access to all his online account data. And refuses to reinstate. We balance ou…

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Re: A Dad Took Photos of His Kid for the Doctor. Google Flagged Him as a Criminal

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Post by qudat »

cgearhart wrote: post #94
sekh60 wrote: post #3

This story broke the camels back for us when it first appeared here and got us to migrate our email to protonmail and a domain we bought.

> migrate our email to protonmail Any tips? It’s been on my lowest priority todo list to migrate off of gmail for several years, and I think the biggest reason I haven’t yet is that I know nothing about alternatives. I haven’t had to think at all about email for 15-20 years or so, and I’d like to keep it that way as much as possible after any switch. How close does protonmail get to that ideal?

I use Fastmail and love it.

The key is not to forward your email from gmail and just start fresh. Slowly migrate all comms and eventually you’ll never look at that email again.

Re: A Dad Took Photos of His Kid for the Doctor. Google Flagged Him as a Criminal

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Post by watwut »

867-5309 wrote: post #107
pyuser583 wrote: post #60

Stratechery covered this … they pointed out the really f*ed: part: Google is refusing to reinstate the account. Protecting children is important. AI is imperfect. But there is no reason the keep the account suspended once it’s clear there was no wrongdoing. This man is innocent of doing anything wrong. Google had suspended him, and removed access to all his online account data. And refuses to reinstate. We balance ou…

>Protecting children is important. AI is imperfect. is protecting children more important than a software engineer with no backup's mistakes and first world inconveniences? yes. the AI did its job flawlessly - detected a naked toddler. as did the human verifier. bravo. should it have been detected and flagged? yes. should we be surprised at the chosen free cloud provider's attitude or dismissal? no.

Maybe naked toddlers should not be flagged? You can see naked toddlers bathing in lakes and such. They are naked, cause overwhelming majority if people dont see toddlers as sexual and they themselves are not ashamed of body yet.

Naked pre-teen? Sure flag absolutely. Toddler? No.

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