Nostr is a stupid simple P2P protocol that works, built by builders

Post by cf » Sat, Nov 26, 2022, 1:56 PM UTC

assetlabel wrote: post #77

egypturnash wrote: post #10

So how does nostr propose to solve the problem where there is, in fact, quite a lot of content that you want to filter out, whether because it makes for a better experience for the people using this protocol to talk to each other, or because there are some pretty solid laws about things that various governments require people to filter out? https://abovethelaw.com/2022/11/hey-elon-let-me-help-you-spe... is a pretty d…

Just mute them. Or just follow who you follow with no suggestions of other people. Or relays can have a censorship policy based on the law or community standards or anything else they want... and the people will use whatever relays work for them (typically multiple relays to follow multiple crowds). Some people want censorship, some don't, the protocol is totally agnostic on this point.

Post by datadata » Sat, Nov 26, 2022, 2:07 PM UTC

arcticbull wrote: post #96

kdragon wrote: post #85

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So much FUD. 1) miners profit from energy surplus. They do not create new power plants. Nobody is firing up a new coal plant to mine bitcoin. That is absurd. 2) miners have incentives to find and use wasted energy. For ex, flare gas recycling. Which actually helps the environment. 3) miners can turn on/off at will, and produce energy loads on demand. Which means they balance out the energy grid. Especially from errat…

(1) They literally reopened a natural gas plant in New York, where were you? [1] the broader point is this fossil capacity can just be turned off if we stopped wasting it on a bitmask lottery. You don’t have to bring on new capacity to cause harm (although they are doing that too). (2) burning flared methane is better than not but not flaring at all is best? There’s no such thing as stranded power, there’s only missi…

Post by imiric » Sat, Nov 26, 2022, 2:57 PM UTC

salawat wrote: post #110

imiric wrote: post #87

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That's a great article, and balancing free speech with censorship is a difficult problem. But it becomes a constant headache only on centralized platforms, where no amount of resources can realistically monitor and filter all content. This scales in complexity as the platform grows, which is the goal of any centralized service. And if the business model depends on advertising, it becomes even messier and crucial to i…

You didn't answer the question. The question was, to wit, >How do you keep CP off it? Your answer was: >I don't, just don't look at the CP. The problem really in question here is: You've just created a new distribution method for this type of thing and punted the consequences for someone else to deal with. (Which is totally cool imo, but newsflash, expect to be the subject of a hit piece some time in the forseeable f…

Post by olah_1 » Sat, Nov 26, 2022, 6:54 PM UTC

bawolff wrote: post #94

olah_1 wrote: post #55

I'm beginning to think that ActivityPub will never add anti-censorship features into the core protocol (for example, independent IDs that don't live on a relay server). Because I spoke with a core developer on ActivityPub stuff a couple of years ago about the issue of servers going offline and losing your account and he said that he was working on it. But I wouldn't be surprised if he was discouraged from continuing…

> because ultimately people like ActivityPub because server admins can be little dictators that censor and ban at will. ActivityPub isnt the only distributed thingy to learn that lesson. There are a reason the various ultra-free-speech hosted on the dark web, things never take off.

Post by arcticbull » Sat, Nov 26, 2022, 7:15 PM UTC

datadata wrote: post #112

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I absolutely, unequivocally do not believe it. Bitcoin consumes 111TWh annually, the power consumption of the Netherlands, and emits 62Mt of CO2 per year, the same as Belarus. It also yields 42kT of e-waste per year. Each transaction produces 650kg of CO2, consumes 1160kWh of power (as much as 40 days consumption for the average American home) and produces 450g of e-waste (about the same as hucking your iPad into the…

> 97% of all Bitcoin mining hardware will never successfully produce a single block in its entire useful life, going from factory, to space heater, to garbage can This is a really disengenuous point. Mining works probabilistically, and mining pools payout based on smaller units of work that probably have some probability of finding a block for the pool. The fact that a block itself is a large parcel does not make the…