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The New Smoking (2021)

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Re: The New Smoking (2021)

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Post by adastra22 »

n8henrie wrote: post #110
adastra22 wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah it really bugs me how inconsiderate weed and vaping smokers can be. I’ve had weed smokers casually walk by my family blowing smoke everywhere without care, like this was the 1950’s. In a sense this is even worse as not only did I not agree to me or my kids breathing in this cancerous cloud of smoke, but it is psychoactive too.

I hadn't thought of cannabis consumption as being unequivocally associated with cancer risk. I haven't paid much attention, but there was a pretty big JAMA paper a decade or so ago that didn't demonstrate much risk at something like "a joint per day for 40 years" level consumption. Vaping may well have its own -- perhaps even greater -- risks, but I hadn't assumed propylene glycol to be particularly carcinogenic. Is…

Smoking causes cancer. Not tobacco. Not marijuana. Inhaling smoke causes cancer, pretty much independent of what is being burnt. (Though obviously some substances are even worse still.)

For some reason people think it is tobacco that causes lung cancer, and therefore joints are safe/healthy. Ridiculous. It is inhaling all that ash that gives you lung and throat cancer.

Vaping avoids the carcinogens of cigarette smoke, but likely carries its own risks. As you mention it's like breathing in a Halloween/stage smoke. But why do you think that is safe to do?

Ultimately if the air is smokey, it contains particulate matter. That particulate matter is not good for your lungs, no matter what it is.

Re: The New Smoking (2021)

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Post by j7ake »

DerekBickerton wrote: post #16

If you like this article, I would suggest reading these too: I Don’t Want to Be an Internet Person: https://www.palladiummag.com/2022/11/04/i-dont-want-to-be-an... The Internet is Made of Demons: https://www.damagemag.com/2022/04/21/the-internet-is-made-of... When traveling, I carry a dumb phone, specifically a Nokia feature phone that doesn't even connect to The Internet. The only distraction on it is the Tetris app…

How is killing time on Tetris on Nokia any different than Candy crush or browsing hackernews on iPhone?

At least with iPhone I can load up hundreds of ebooks to read and choose how I spend my time.

Re: The New Smoking (2021)

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Post by leetcrew »

ShredKazoo wrote: post #105
gumby wrote: post #74

I miss smoking (well, not really; I'm not a smoker). But all the rituals around it were very important for modulating the cadence and even nature of conversation, offering shared rituals, give-and-take, and, by convention, forced but acceptable pauses.

Someone's gotta invent a cigarette that's actually good for your health! (Oddly enough this might actually work. My understanding is that nicotine is not actually that unhealthy; it's mostly the other stuff in cigarette's that's bad for you. Additionally, based on an old coworker of mine who quite smoking successfully, a big part of the addiction is just having something to put in your mouth.)

this is basically the idea behind vaping. partially replicating the ritual makes it much easier than switching to a pure nicotine maintenance vehicle (ie, patches).

it doesn't replicate the social ritual of a "smoke break" though. a single cigarette burns for about as long as you'd usually want to have a light conversation with a stranger. a vape "lasts" indefinitely long, and you never need to ask someone for a light. you can also probably get away with just doing it inside if you're discreet.

Re: The New Smoking (2021)

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Post by FearlessNebula »

vsareto wrote: post #34
FearlessNebula wrote: post #27

The real question for me is how do we fix it? Both at the societal level but especially at the personal level for me I’ve been aware of this habit but unable to kick it for years now.

We can't if we keep running a society that's working people into a minimal life. Reduce work and living expenses to give people back some time and energy to actually pick up something more complicated than social feeds or digital entertainment.

Totally agree with this principle although that’s not what drives me to use my phone. I have a very generous amount of free time for my age, and I squander it for some reason.

Re: The New Smoking (2021)

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Post by 13of40 »

minitoar wrote: post #94
adastra22 wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

True, but in a relatively minor or even positive way. I similarly don’t get upset when someone brews coffee or tea next to me, even though I actually can’t be that close due to a medicinal interaction. I sometimes have to leave the room, but that’s not their fault. Weed makes driving more dangerous, lowers motivation and focus, etc. You want to do that to unwind, fine. But do it at home or in a designated smoking are…

Nicotine gives me anxiety.

I was going to mention something along these lines. I quit smoking 15 years ago because I realized I just felt dirty, sick, and depressed after a cigarette, no matter how much the addiction primed me to think otherwise leading up to it.

Re: The New Smoking (2021)

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Post by beebmam »

adastra22 wrote: post #111
n8henrie wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hadn't thought of cannabis consumption as being unequivocally associated with cancer risk. I haven't paid much attention, but there was a pretty big JAMA paper a decade or so ago that didn't demonstrate much risk at something like "a joint per day for 40 years" level consumption. Vaping may well have its own -- perhaps even greater -- risks, but I hadn't assumed propylene glycol to be particularly carcinogenic. Is…

Smoking causes cancer. Not tobacco. Not marijuana. Inhaling smoke causes cancer, pretty much independent of what is being burnt. (Though obviously some substances are even worse still.) For some reason people think it is tobacco that causes lung cancer, and therefore joints are safe/healthy. Ridiculous. It is inhaling all that ash that gives you lung and throat cancer. Vaping avoids the carcinogens of cigarette smoke…

The amount of combusted material that one is exposed to makes a big difference in cancer rates (and other disease rates).[1]

I imagine that this is orders of magnitude lower for marijuana smokers than tobacco smokers, especially in this era with most flower being >20% THC by mass.

1. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6235683/

Re: The New Smoking (2021)

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Post by bitxbitxbitcoin »

thefaux wrote: post #83
adastra22 wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah it really bugs me how inconsiderate weed and vaping smokers can be. I’ve had weed smokers casually walk by my family blowing smoke everywhere without care, like this was the 1950’s. In a sense this is even worse as not only did I not agree to me or my kids breathing in this cancerous cloud of smoke, but it is psychoactive too.

I'm with you that we should consider clean air a human right. Personally, I find vehicular exhaust a much bigger problem than weed smoke though.

With new research showing that vehicular tire wear being an even worse polluter.

Re: The New Smoking (2021)

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Post by bongoman37 »

mc32 wrote: post #87
scarface74 wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The vice was the war on drugs that was disproportionately applied to minorities. Legalizing weed is taking one weapon out of the arsenal of the police state.

In other countries it was applied to their majorities (who could be minorities in the US). The war on drugs was not a U.S.-only thing. It was worldwide. Because it was a losing battle (products easier to grow manufacture AND transport, they’ve pretty much all realized it’s a losing battle —with some major exceptions like Japan and Singapore who still take drugs seriously and will incarcerate for small amounts.

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Re: The New Smoking (2021)

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Post by bitxbitxbitcoin »

adastra22 wrote: post #73
program_whiz wrote: post #57

Not to be pedantic, but smoking is actually the new smoking. Its just now being normalized through weed (which is rationalized as healthy or cool) and vaping (which is seen as less harmful than smoking cigarettes). The sheer number of smoke shops has exploded.

Yeah it really bugs me how inconsiderate weed and vaping smokers can be. I’ve had weed smokers casually walk by my family blowing smoke everywhere without care, like this was the 1950’s. In a sense this is even worse as not only did I not agree to me or my kids breathing in this cancerous cloud of smoke, but it is psychoactive too.

Not to be pendantic, but 1950s would be if that was happening indoors. I assume this happens to you and your family outdoors.

Re: The New Smoking (2021)

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Post by bitxbitxbitcoin »

n8henrie wrote: post #110
adastra22 wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah it really bugs me how inconsiderate weed and vaping smokers can be. I’ve had weed smokers casually walk by my family blowing smoke everywhere without care, like this was the 1950’s. In a sense this is even worse as not only did I not agree to me or my kids breathing in this cancerous cloud of smoke, but it is psychoactive too.

I hadn't thought of cannabis consumption as being unequivocally associated with cancer risk. I haven't paid much attention, but there was a pretty big JAMA paper a decade or so ago that didn't demonstrate much risk at something like "a joint per day for 40 years" level consumption. Vaping may well have its own -- perhaps even greater -- risks, but I hadn't assumed propylene glycol to be particularly carcinogenic. Is…

There is vaping of the dry herb itself or or concentrates all of which involve zero Propelyne Glycol or Vegetable Glycerin or Vitamin E. Very much the more popular trend in weed vaping that has nothing to do with anti vaping propogandas and is unfortunately ignored by those that don’t partake.

That is where most weed smokers end up or plan to end up.

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