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Post by dragontamer »

thomascgalvin wrote: post #75
nimbius wrote: post #38

Not to put too fine a point on it, but this is the sort of damage control id expect to see from someone only peripherally aware of or involved in their businesses accountability or strategic operations. This concern from advertisers has existed far too long for an executive action to have any meaning. the marketing conference call on november 3rd was your red flag where advertisers voiced their displeasure with firin…

> At this point its best to hope markets dont start reconsidering your other companies as risky business. I think this is inevitable. One, Elon is trying to prop up Twitter by using SpaceX money to buy ads. He's dipping his hand into other companies to keep his new toy afloat for a while longer. I don't know if the word "contamination" is appropriate here, but it's pretty clear that Elon doesn't see any kind of sharp…

> I don't know if the word "contamination" is appropriate here, but it's pretty clear that Elon doesn't see any kind of sharp boundaries between his various enterprises.

Even without "contamination", TSLA stock price collapsed by over $100+ because Elon Musk predictably sold $Billions of stock to pay for the TWTR buyout. Its not like $33 Billion came out of nowhere. Elon had to sell TSLA to get that money.

If TWTR keeps losing money, Elon will be forced to sell more and more TSLA stock to keep it afloat.

And this is all the legal / ethical way of doing things. No "contamination" in just selling stock to support another. Even then, we can see the huge drop in TSLA stock prices (compared to the rest of the market, which rebounded in the past few weeks on good inflation data).

Re: “Negative/hate tweets will be max deboosted and demonetized”

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Post by automatom »

dekhn wrote: post #103
notadev wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please stop spreading the falsehood that Eli Lilly lost billions because of a fake verified tweet. https://medium.com/@westwise/did-twitter-just-take-8-billion...

is that all your evidence?

Even if it is, he's right. Although this is anecdotal, I have a friend who works in finance that said the drop in stock was coincidental to the stock price dropping. Apparently pharmaceuticals are a defensive sector in a bear market, and the market popping up last week meant the price of Eli Lilly dropped, as I understand it. In his words that tweet causing the stock to drop was "fake news"

Re: “Negative/hate tweets will be max deboosted and demonetized”

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Post by Kye »

lapcat wrote: post #95
thomascgalvin wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> At this point its best to hope markets dont start reconsidering your other companies as risky business. I think this is inevitable. One, Elon is trying to prop up Twitter by using SpaceX money to buy ads. He's dipping his hand into other companies to keep his new toy afloat for a while longer. I don't know if the word "contamination" is appropriate here, but it's pretty clear that Elon doesn't see any kind of sharp…

> Tesla used to be a status symbol. Driving one meant you were forward thinking, that you were on the bleeding edge, and probably conscientious about the environment. I hate to break it to you, but generally only other Tesla owners feel that way. Otherwise, I doubt the public does. In fact, I personally feel the opposite, that's it's a symbol of a "techbro".

Correct. All of my few encounters with a Tesla in the wild were a near accident. That + the attitude I see from Tesla fans online cement a negative view.

Re: “Negative/hate tweets will be max deboosted and demonetized”

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Post by rcoveson »

lrvick wrote: post #44
garyfirestorm wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

True! How would it detect sarcasm. For eg. I love what he is doing to Twitter

In my experience people most often convey sarcasm on social media with emoji and the emoji is typically the most informative feature. I hate my job :) -> probably loves their job. I love my job :( -> probably hates their job. Without emoji sarcasm is often hard to detect even for a human.

This is wrong as often as it's right. I predect that "I hate my job :)" on social media really does mean the speaker hates their job at least 40% of the time. It's sort of a "this is fine"[0] smiley; the smiley is the sarcasm while the statement is literally true.

0. https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/this-is-fine

Re: “Negative/hate tweets will be max deboosted and demonetized”

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Post by LawTalkingGuy »

commandlinefan wrote: post #51
minimaxir wrote: post #7

Note that this is the dictionary definition of shadowbanning, which is the primary thing the free speech advocates on Twitter were hoping Elon would stop Twitter from doing.

It also virtually requires human content moderation who, as we've seen time and time again, will classify more and more conservative opinions as "negative/hate" and fewer and fewer liberal opinions. So in other words, Jack Dorsey's Twitter all over again.

People have been seeing it as one big moderation problem and it's a bunch of smaller problems, plus the problem of people actively gaming the system and operating at large enough scale for it to always be bigger than humans can handle.

But that's only true when you delete posts and block users. It makes mistakes so costly (and with machines being so easily manipulated) that we need to run too many decisions past people because our decisions here are making huge impact at a personal level for those involved.

But if you're willing to accept "hidden at default-browse-level" wrongly appearing every now and then it becomes totally solvable.

We were trying to scale fact-checkers and playground-nannies but the trick is to get rid of those roles and use users to flag what users like and/or don't like directly. You can do a staggered release to previously critical people, and known-objective people, once a few posts have been flagged.

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Post by cto_of_antifa »

automatom wrote: post #112
dekhn wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

is that all your evidence?

Even if it is, he's right. Although this is anecdotal, I have a friend who works in finance that said the drop in stock was coincidental to the stock price dropping. Apparently pharmaceuticals are a defensive sector in a bear market, and the market popping up last week meant the price of Eli Lilly dropped, as I understand it. In his words that tweet causing the stock to drop was "fake news"

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Post by coffeebeqn »

elgenioso wrote: post #4
Ztynovovk wrote: post #2

Elon “free speech” Musk. >Negative/hate tweets will be max deboosted & demonetized. Guess this guy finally realized that a free for all model is not feasible.

It's impossible to detect negative sentiment purely by text. It's an unsolvable problem.

I mean that whole idea sounds extremely dystopian. You can only post things that the AI considers “positive”.

Putin is a piece of shit who bombed my family! I’m sorry Dave, I can’t allow you to post that.

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Post by danans »

paxys wrote: post #36
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #22

I'm certainly not a fan of how Musk has handled the Twitter takeover, but this sentiment, "New Twitter policy is freedom of speech, but not freedom of reach", seems highly reasonable to me, no? That is, what I find so awful about most social media (and places like YouTube) is how they focus on some of the most anger-inducing content for "engagement". That is, I think the problem is much more their algorithms than wha…

People’s problem with Twitter was always that they would arbitrarily decide what is or isn’t acceptable speech, and Elon’s new solution does…exactly the same thing. The only thing that will change now is that liberal politicians and views will start being targeted rather than conservative/alt-right ones. Is anyone here really naïve enough to believe that this whole saga has been about “free speech”? It is simply a sh…

> The only thing that will change now is that liberal politicians and views will start being targeted rather than conservative/alt-right ones.

Conservative speech like "lower taxes are better", "extract more petroleum", and "prayer should be allowed in public school" were never targeted.

The "conservative" speech banned were things like "LGBT people should have their human rights denied" and "Let's get together and attack the Capitol to stop the transfer of power".

> It is simply a shift of power from the left to the right, financed by a handful of billionaires, Wall Street banks and Saudi/Qatari Princes.

That raises the question of what are the "dividends" for those parties, regardless of the financial success of Twitter.

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