How come Nelson Mandela still was treated like a crook and on the terrorist list up to the point of visit to the US in his last years of life. And this MBS guy gets away with it already?
Mohammed bin Salman: Saudi leader given US immunity over Khashoggi killing
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#112Well, America’s superpower status rests on being the reserve currency for petroleum imports so, in reality, KSA has America in a vise. The US can’t do anything to antagonise KSA because the direct result will be KSA accepting currencies other than the dollar for petrol, which will lower the global demand for dollars, leading to devaluation of the USD leading to economic calamity. I’m sure MBS, Biden, Trump, Obama, Pu…
I am not sure why you are being downvoted. While I disagree with your assessment, you raise valid points.
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#113The world isn't stupid, every country does some dirty deeds for national interest. We are deliberately turning a mole hill into a mountain. How many victims have been created by the war on terror or search for non existant WMD?
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#114If we object to a foreign country killing their own citizens, we can invade the foreign country and overthrow the ruler to make them stop killing (or threaten to invade unless they stop the killing). If we don't want to do that, we could try to put sanctions on them. If we can't do that either, there's not much we can do.
In this case it's quite the opposite, though: the Saudis have power over our government. They control the taps that release oil, the release of oil controls gas prices, gas prices have a documented effect on election results.
If the party in power wants to win the midterms they need the Saudis to supply enough oil. It's wild how openly corrupt the whole thing is.
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#115Earlier quoted context omitted.
>and is also a key ally in a historically unstable region which impacts those prices. they were until democrats spent their last two presidencies trying to fund and justify the nuclear research of SA's biggest regional rival who is already funding catspaw wars against SA - Iran. Then when you ask them to lower the price of oil they wonder why you've spent multiple years working against them while coming now to beg fo…
Saudi is not a reliable or good ally and there’s no reason why the US should favor them over Iran.
Iran is not an ally, they're a sworn enemy that the democrats have imagined they can bribe into becoming a friend because they don't understand Iran's motivation is not money but religious ideology.
It's the worst kind of political delerium - funding you enemies and your ally's enemies and then wondering why your allies aren't "reliable" - hint its you not being reliable while you're funding their enemies and trying to excuse their nuclear weapon program. Its the US that was a fickle ally.
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#116Obama would be personally liable for drone strikes that were done under his authority. Would you be OK with that?
In any case, it's unclear if the US even has jurisdiction. The crime happened on Saudi territory in Turkey, and MBS has said he didn't authorize it. Why is this in US courts? Because he was a US citizen?
His fiancee is showboating.
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#117The same happened to Modi, the PM of India, if my memory serves me right. He was banned from entering USA for his deeds, until he turned out to be the head of India. Apparently your only way out is to be the head of your state, if you have done something evil.
Let me clarify some points at the risk of sounding like a Modi supporter. Modi had gone though investigations and was acquitted by the Supreme court of India. It was definitely failure of government mechanism and officials but not state sponsored voilence. " The Supreme Court on Friday dismissed allegations of "larger conspiracy" levelled by Zakia Jafri, widow of Congress leader Ehsan Jafri who was killed in the 2002…
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#118Legally, I am not qualified to comment. But as a citizen of the US, this makes me very, very angry.
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#119Obama would be personally liable for drone strikes that were done under his authority. Would you be OK with that? In any case, it's unclear if the US even has jurisdiction. The crime happened on Saudi territory in Turkey, and MBS has said he didn't authorize it. Why is this in US courts? Because he was a US citizen? His fiancee is showboating.
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#120Maybe they should teach children in school from a young age how completely corrupt all of our institutions (government, private industry, science, religion, etc) are, rather than everyone having to slowly realize it as you get older.