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Why Evernote failed to realize its potential (2021)

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Re: Why Evernote failed to realize its potential (2021)

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post #20

Honestly Apple Notes works really well. It doesn't have much features, but its simplicity should be the baseline of any note taking app

At this point it works really well as an Evernote replacement, including automatic OCR and search of scanned files – and it titles the note from the top of the OCR text, which Evernote never got working.

Re: Why Evernote failed to realize its potential (2021)

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Still looking for viable replacement: * Joplin had some issues I've checked year ago. * Apple notes while I have iPhone there's no Windows app. * OneNote is just trully horrendous app. * Obsidian just can't convince myself. I'm forcing myself to use it work, while it works, it's not something I enjoy doing. * Notion is odd, everything is a block and sometimes formatting is just meh... * Google keep is just simple not…

What issues did Joplin have for you? It’s been the best notes app I’ve used.

Re: Why Evernote failed to realize its potential (2021)

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Shameless plug but for the past 2 years we have slowly been working to replace Evernote with Notesnook [1]. Sounds weird to say "replace Evernote" when Evernote is absolute shit (no offense) but one of the main reasons we went this route is because Evernote did one thing right: It made personal note taking approachable & actually fun. Nowadays, a lot of the modern note taking apps (Notion, Slite etc.) are focused on…

GPLv3, needs(?) an account, has a paid version but I'm not sure what extra features it gets. Can write notes offline and sync later when online. On Play Store but not F-Droid. Download button from an Android web browser sends you to the Play Store, but if you choose "all platforms" and scroll down to Android, there are .apk downloads.

Dug deeper and I see paying gets you more storage for things like attachments.

I would love to see this on F-Droid, looks pretty good otherwise. I don't love needing an account, but I guess that's probably the easiest way to handle syncing. SyncThing integration would've been cool to decentralize things.

Can people host their own server if they want? Not sure if it's just the client on GitHub.

Re: Why Evernote failed to realize its potential (2021)

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post #110
post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, Notado is the labour of love that I'm talking about in the parent post :)

I'm also very interested in this, but particularly the book part, which I couldn't find on the website linked above, unless it only works with Kindle highlights? I have a gigantic EPUB library and have yet to find a good way to export my notes and highlights from all these books (mostly read in KOreader).

Kindle-only right now as it's the biggest piece of the pie and what I use personally, but let me look into the KOreader highlights storage format and see if I can hook you and the other KOreader users with something.

Re: Why Evernote failed to realize its potential (2021)

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post #67

Over the years I've realized that I don't actually care for or need the "note taking" part of applications like these. What I need is a textual data store that can be efficiently and effectively indexed, searched and (automatically) tagged, and for the ability to quickly filter streams and feeds of targeted information from that data store (with the option to share them publicly via RSS - my public feeds are in my pr…

The funny thing is that writing notes (I.e., typing text) is among the easiest things to achieve on a computer. Actually figuring out what to do with them is what requires some thought.

I say that to say, I’m interested in your app. I was late to things like Pinboard and Delicious so I never got into the whole “public online bookmarks” thing.

Re: Why Evernote failed to realize its potential (2021)

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I find this an interesting reflection of an org I used to work for. Originally successful product allowed to stagnate over the course of decades with all the energy being sucked up by new shiny bolt-ons while the core business need and core product is never re-imagined to fit in with modern industry trends. On reflection it always looks kinda daft that this can end up happening but I think (at least in my case) its e…

How would you design the org to avoid this? You basically need to disband the team once the product is done. How do game studios manage it?

> How would you design the org to avoid this?

I don't know but it feels like a relatively common theme and perhaps there are factors that control its prevalence. I would tentatively suggest that refreshing decision making structures from time to time might help mitigate against complacency but you might also be rolling a dice if you're force-replacing to keep fresh.

Perhaps its more to do with how a business will diversify strategically without diversifying organisationally? I feel like there should be some form of conflict when resource is split from core product into diversification products (e.g. like Evernote food or Evernote market) and perhaps the absence of that conflict is a contributing factor to the speed at which the rot can set in.

Also maybe there's something to say about having a clear roadmap and never thinking the core product is done. Some of the most successful products I've seen seem to have some sort of force that is always seeking to iteratively improve it.

Re: Why Evernote failed to realize its potential (2021)

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post #100

When people start going from EverNote to OneNote, that's an indication you've one-upped Microsoft in terms of un-usablity. Not to say all MS products are bad (Office is good) but the well-berated Teams is an example of a monstrosity that should be more usable.

I actually just joined a company that uses Teams and I REALLY love it as a Zoom replacement. It's a less great IM replacement for Slack, but the outlook integration, videochat quality, recordings, transcripts, chat (within meetings) is top notch.

Re: Why Evernote failed to realize its potential (2021)

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Still looking for viable replacement: * Joplin had some issues I've checked year ago. * Apple notes while I have iPhone there's no Windows app. * OneNote is just trully horrendous app. * Obsidian just can't convince myself. I'm forcing myself to use it work, while it works, it's not something I enjoy doing. * Notion is odd, everything is a block and sometimes formatting is just meh... * Google keep is just simple not…

I use Simplenote to solve the problem of sharing quick notes between Apple Notes and Windows.

My core data storage app is still OneNote, though. I moved there when Evernote started getting buggy, and it is a perfectly fine replacement. I don't understand the hate for it.

Re: Why Evernote failed to realize its potential (2021)

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post #78

Am I the only one who still pays for and like Evernote? (: I don’t love it, it’s too bloated for that. But it still works (if not optimally). I could switch, but doing research to find an alternative and then migrate would take quite a lot of time, and time is always a constrained resource.

I paid for Evernote when it had the silver/mid tier, and it was about $35/yr. Then they got rid of that tier, and now it's $80/yr. for Personal. So I switched over to Joplin[1].

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[1] https://joplinapp.org/

Re: Why Evernote failed to realize its potential (2021)

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post #85
post #17

It failed because it turned the app into bloat and killed multi-device syncing. Most of the decisions made regarding product features were user-hostile not just to the free tier, but also to paying users who did not want the "features" they kept pushing out.

> but also to paying users I was a paid user of the lower tier, and I decided to leave when they kept showing me nag screens to push me to buy the higher tiers. Totally unacceptable in a product I was paying for.

I left chess.com for the same reason. You'd think it would be considered a best practice to not antagonize your paying customers . . . .
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