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Post by pelasaco »

seydor wrote: post #105
pelasaco wrote: post #87

who are paying for that? Why EU decides to manage such infrastructure?

it s in the budget of some agency supervising the data protection supervisors. This is not where a lot of money is wasted however. If you want to look for EU waste, look into the various agencies travel grants, endless committees and conferences, overhiring and bureaucratic reports that are many times longer than the actual output. I think in these times of fiscal tightening, people shopuld be more aware of the cost…

this is kind of whataboutism. I would say both are unnecessary.

Re: EU Voice

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Post by nimbius »

johnywalks wrote: post #49
williamvds wrote: post #18

It's quite sensible really, why would you leave a method of disseminating official statements vulnerable to the whims of a private American corporation? Discussion still can and will be held on platforms not directly controlled by governments.

> whims of a private American corporation Exactly. Private corporations that adhere to US law and have demonstrated that they don't operate in good faith. Each country should control official channels of communication.

>Private corporations that adhere to US law

the sentiment methinks is misplaced. the US is a 23 trillion dollar GDP. sooner or later, all private corporations adhere to its law.

a better observation is that technocratic trappings of neoliberalism are more akin to neofeudalism than most western governments are willing to confess in 2022, lest they anger the spirit of Thatcher and Reagan or god forbid induce some sort of mass reform.

Vint Cerf said it best at the southern california linux expo when he explained how the digital frontier is really no different for sovreignity than air, land, sea, and space are. You either delineate the domain and maintain stewardship of it, or youre at the mercy of others with the digital equivalent of bluewater navy and satellites. the EU masto instance is a shot across the bow for major US corporations in that a contested battleground has been abruptly created in the absence of leadership and command at the largest fleet carrier (twitter)

Re: EU Voice

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Post by peoplefromibiza »

CharlesW wrote: post #100
berkes wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I knew it. I'm not nobody. Sorry for pointing out, but such absolutists statements are easily debunked with a single 'black swan'.

> Sorry for pointing out, but such absolutists statements are easily debunked with a single 'black swan'. The parent commenter was making a generalization, like "all birds have wings". The discoverability problem is a legitimate point. If we allow the colloquial English for a moment, it'd be interesting to hear informed opinions on how that can be solved.

> on how that can be solved

like everything: marketing campaigns.

Right now media are reporting (embedding) statements from EU from private social networks, in the future PR are going to include links to the new platforms and journalists will start to track them instead.

Exactly how it happened with Twitter, nobody knew about it months after its launch.

Nobody mentioned it as a source for important stuff, especially not established media outlets/newspapers.

A little reminder: Twitter is 16 years old, was never profitable, and, despite the billions poured into the platform and into "buying" attention, it "only" has 200 million active users/day globally, compared to the 2 billions of WhatsApp user active daily or the 1.7 billion active Facebook users.

The vast majority of social network users around the World don't even know what Twitter is and why it should matter.

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Post by olivierduval »

olivierduval wrote: post #110

Sadly, as usual with Europe, a really good idea and... a very poor marketing! Mastodon is supposed to be a kind of Twitter replacement... so why not using the "public timeline" ( https://social.network.europa.eu/public ) as the landing page??? It would allow everybody to see that mastodon is not more complicated than twitter and would be more interesting than https://social.network.europa.eu/about/more or even https:…

Funnily... the "infinite timeline" prevents the user to see the footer with global links and explanations

Sad to see this all messed up :-(

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Post by Ecstatify »

simion314 wrote: post #86
Ecstatify wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand why the EU bothers wasting money on these initiatives. No one uses these platforms. Why don't they buy a considerable stake in these American social media companies instead of trying to reinvent the wheel that is deflating as soon as it launches. https://tube.network.europa.eu URL looks like a scam website. There is no way tech illiterate people can use these websites. Their first video that appear…

>I don't understand why the EU bothers wasting money on these initiatives. >Why don't they buy a considerable stake .... What? instead of investing in a server and some open source code we should bive Elon a few millions? Are you Elon or how does this logic work ? News websites can link to twitter or any other website as easily , is not like the average EU citizens is actually following any EU institutions (no idea a…

It's not about the cost of the service, it's that it's a pointless endeavour it's never going to succeed. Every social media company succeeds or fails based on the network effect.

Where did I mention Elon?

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Post by JadeNB »

Sargos wrote: post #108
johnywalks wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> whims of a private American corporation Exactly. Private corporations that adhere to US law and have demonstrated that they don't operate in good faith. Each country should control official channels of communication.

>Each country should control official channels of communication. I don't want to create 100 accounts to access each countries totally unique and special websites. It's a bad system and ultimately will lead to less discourse and not more.

> I don't want to create 100 accounts to access each countries totally unique and special websites. It's a bad system and ultimately will lead to less discourse and not more.

However, unless you are a resident of 100 countries, it's probably not particularly essential that you do so, is it? I mean, I can imagine my being interested in the official channels of communication for governments of countries in which I am not a resident, but I cannot imagine why they should care to make it particularly easy for me to access those communications. It seems that the most that I should be able to ask is easy read-only access without having to sign up for a special account.

Re: EU Voice

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Post by BlueTemplar »

Ecstatify wrote: post #68
arlort wrote: post #64

Worth pointing out that this was launched some months ago, it's not related to ongoing events with twitter They also have a peertube instance https://tube.network.europa.eu/

I don't understand why the EU bothers wasting money on these initiatives. No one uses these platforms. Why don't they buy a considerable stake in these American social media companies instead of trying to reinvent the wheel that is deflating as soon as it launches. https://tube.network.europa.eu URL looks like a scam website. There is no way tech illiterate people can use these websites. Their first video that appear…

I am guessing that you missed that the legality of US companies in the EU is very much under question ?

> the US takes the view that foreigners don't have privacy rights. I doubt that the US has a future as the cloud provider of the world, if non-US persons have no rights under their laws

https://noyb.eu/en/new-us-executive-order-unlikely-satisfy-e...

This has been a looong time in the coming, maybe since at least the Patriot Act (2001), and definitely since the Snowden scandal...

It's indeed the US companies dominance in the EU which explains all the denial around this, and of course the still good relations between the countries : compare with the ban in the USA of the Chinese company Huawei... (which is an issue in EU too !)... or what the reaction would be if it was Russia instead of the USA !

Re: EU Voice

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Post by ben_w »

nimbius wrote: post #112
johnywalks wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> whims of a private American corporation Exactly. Private corporations that adhere to US law and have demonstrated that they don't operate in good faith. Each country should control official channels of communication.

>Private corporations that adhere to US law the sentiment methinks is misplaced. the US is a 23 trillion dollar GDP. sooner or later, all private corporations adhere to its law. a better observation is that technocratic trappings of neoliberalism are more akin to neo feudalism than most western governments are willing to confess in 2022, lest they anger the spirit of Thatcher and Reagan or god forbid induce some sort…

I mostly agree, but:

> the US is a 23 trillion dollar GDP. sooner or later, all private corporations adhere to its law.

While the EU and China are not quite as large as the USA on their own, they are close enough that many multinational corporations already face the challenge of being the servants of three masters.

Re: EU Voice

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Post by JadeNB »

Ecstatify wrote: post #115
simion314 wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I don't understand why the EU bothers wasting money on these initiatives. >Why don't they buy a considerable stake .... What? instead of investing in a server and some open source code we should bive Elon a few millions? Are you Elon or how does this logic work ? News websites can link to twitter or any other website as easily , is not like the average EU citizens is actually following any EU institutions (no idea a…

It's not about the cost of the service, it's that it's a pointless endeavour it's never going to succeed. Every social media company succeeds or fails based on the network effect. Where did I mention Elon?

> It's not about the cost of the service, it's that it's a pointless endeavour it's never going to succeed. Every social media company succeeds or fails based on the network effect.

I think that's a valid concern if your main goal is to create a social network, but less so if you're trying to create a reliable and trustworthy organ for government communication.

> Where did I mention Elon?

This:

> > Why don't they buy a considerable stake in these American social media companies instead of trying to reinvent the wheel that is deflating as soon as it launches.

does not refer explicitly to Elon, but Twitter is a much more common organ of government communication than any other big American social-media company, so it seems disingenuous to pretend that this wasn't at least suggestive of buying a considerable stake in Twitter (and so giving money, indirectly, to Elon).

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