Is CBL-Mariner going to become Microsoft Linux?

Post by bitwize » Fri, Nov 04, 2022, 2:11 AM UTC

smackeyacky wrote: post #108

kitotik wrote: post #70

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> The future of desktop Linux is a VM under Windows. Is there really any demand for this though? What Linux gui apps exist that windows users want/need? Enough that Microsoft sees an addressable market large enough to get roi? The inverse seems to have way more practical use cases that could actually drive revenue - games and legacy business applications (as mentioned in the esr prose).

I got quite excited when I heard about wslG and rushed to install it. Never used it since. I did have the Linux version of dBeaver installed that way but there is little/no difference just running the native Windows install for that. The only use I can really think of is doing cross-platform GUI development, but even then MS will say "hey look, native Linux windowing support in WSL" and also "Not yours, no linux vers…

Post by lmm » Fri, Nov 04, 2022, 2:12 AM UTC

dotancohen wrote: post #44

squarefoot wrote: post #33

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Still Microsoft, although after a change of tactics. They don't want to kill Linux anymore, but something even more dangerous: controlling it by making their one the accepted corporate standard ("Nobody was ever fired for using MS Linux", etc). The day they push some proprietary or oddly licensed technology to be integrated into their Linux is the day a thousands alerts should be raised into the community. Then will…

> The day they push some proprietary or oddly licensed technology to be integrated into their > Linux is the day a thousands alerts should be raised into the community. EFI boot?

Post by Spivak » Fri, Nov 04, 2022, 2:13 AM UTC

Godel_unicode wrote: post #92

bitwize wrote: post #71

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Microsoft already has their way. Any time you boot an alternate OS, it's only because Microsoft deigns to allow it. They're the CA for Secure Boot, and at any time they can forbid disabling Secure Boot in order to qualify for Windows.

…and then immediately get broken up. I have always found it funny that Microsoft provides a free service to the Linux community which makes them significantly safer, and for their trouble they get no end of shade from that community.

Post by Maursault » Fri, Nov 04, 2022, 2:17 AM UTC

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gerdesj wrote: post #59

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It is absolutely wank compared to eDirectory but I'll be whistling in the wind on that one! eDir is what AD should have been.

Is there an OSS implementation?

Post by ziml77 » Fri, Nov 04, 2022, 2:22 AM UTC

yazaddaruvala wrote: post #103

skissane wrote: post #88

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On the contrary, they’ve been adding new features which bring it closer to POSIX in capabilities - for example, various Windows 10 builds introduced Unix domain sockets, a pseudoterminal API, proper UTF-8 support, POSIX file delete semantics, etc. The pain of porting software from Linux/macOS to Windows has been reduced (significantly for some types of apps) and here’s to hoping they reduce it even further.

All of this is towards the goal of deprecating the NT-Kernel and work on it. Today they "emulate" Linux on Windows (WSL2), tomorrow they will "emulate" Windows on Linux (i.e. all the Win32, etc APIs on Linux - think WINE++). Rather than windows::nt or gnu::linux, the first "Linux on Desktop" will happen with windows::linux. In 2015 I bet my friends this would happen in 2025. It might not happen exactly that year, but…