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Snap Store administrators removed signal-desktop from Ubuntu Snap

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Re: Snap Store administrators removed signal-desktop from Ubuntu Snap

#111
DMCA takedowns need to go away forever. What an idiotic implementation of the law. If someone is claiming theft, they have to at least provide proof.

Imagine if I asked police to give me my neighbor's car, as I'm claiming it as mine, and they would have to immediately comply before investigating if my claim has merit?

Re: Snap Store administrators removed signal-desktop from Ubuntu Snap

#112
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What are your others? I use signal alot personally and haven't had too many issues.

- Still need a phone number - They refuse to post the app on f-droid (directly) - No 3rd party clients allowed on their servers. - Crypto thing they attempted - I don't trust Moxie, he rubs me the wrong way.

None of these suggest you shouldn't use signal - or that it's not meeting its goal of secure communication (except the last one I suppose).

Signal is not without flaws as you say, but if you have a phone number and can access a binary, there's every reason to believe it will securely and privately transmit your messages. You are also, ofc, free to fork their client and run your own service (as others have done).

Re: Snap Store administrators removed signal-desktop from Ubuntu Snap

#113
post #85

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Yet another reason not to use Signal. The correct behavior would have been for signal to offer an official snap or to contact the maintainer. Instead they send their legal team...

What are your others? I use signal alot personally and haven't had too many issues.

Not GP but I'm a Signal user and here are my gripes:

- No easy way to do and restore backups on Android and impossible to do backups on their PC client

- Does not support Android tablets at all (my mom loves hers)

- Fails to ring on Android when you call someone or someone calls you, later serving you a missed call notification (disabled Doze/battery optimization feature on Android and tested on 3 different phones with no cigar)

- No way to share your live location to friends

- Using its built in photo snapping and sharing function takes horrible pictures on Android (I suspect they're using the wrong API). If I want to send someone I'm currently texting a good looking picture I need to switch to my phone's camera APP, then back to the chat and use the photo upload function, instead of the in-app photo snapping and sharing function

Some of these bugs have been reported 3+ years ago, while these things work flawlessly on WhatsApp since nearly forever, meanwhile Signal is busy implementing crypto payment features.

I don't know about iOS, but at least for Android and PC, it still feels like an app in alpha that's not yet released to the public compared to how polished and feature rich WhatsApp and Telegram are.

Re: Snap Store administrators removed signal-desktop from Ubuntu Snap

#114

Signal Snap Maintainer here, this is because of a DMCA takedown request from lawyers representing Signal. Canonical is currently working with them to clear things up. Canonical's communication to me was initially lacking due to issues in their process, the process has been amended and I'm back in the loop again.

Yet another reason not to use Signal. The correct behavior would have been for signal to offer an official snap or to contact the maintainer. Instead they send their legal team...

Moxies always been fairly dictatorial about Signal. no third party clients, no decentralization. im not surprised to see a DMCA at all.

So far Signal is a centralized encrypted messaging app that includes its own cryptocurrency and wallet no one asked for, shills me for donations every other release, and begs me to invite new users despite deprecating regular SMS message support.

if youre a threat-actor the most malevolent thing you could do at this point is just watch Moxie and the team drive this project into the ground.

Re: Snap Store administrators removed signal-desktop from Ubuntu Snap

#115

Signal Snap Maintainer here, this is because of a DMCA takedown request from lawyers representing Signal. Canonical is currently working with them to clear things up. Canonical's communication to me was initially lacking due to issues in their process, the process has been amended and I'm back in the loop again.

So you're saying signal requested their own program be removed from the snap store? Sorry, I'm a little confused on terms. When you say snap maintainer, are you saying you are the maintainer of the signal snap package, or that you're a maintainer of snap itself?

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Re: Snap Store administrators removed signal-desktop from Ubuntu Snap

#116
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This is not a good look. The snap has been gone for almost a month, with seemingly no information given to the maintainer or users about why, except a belated "we removed it for policy reasons" 21 days ago. And if this happens to maintainers associated with Snapcrafters , imagine how you're treated if you're just some random person or company who maintains your own snap. This is the sort of reason why people are conc…

Snap maintainer here.

Due to how the Snapcrafters publisher works, Canonical was communicating with the "wrong" person about this takedown. They've since amended their process to make sure this doesn't happen anymore. (Snapcrafters is a team of community volunteers maintaining unofficial packages)

Due to how lawyers and legal threats work, Canonical is very hesitant to publicly talk about what is going on. You can expect a thorough post-mortem after the legal issues are cleared up.

Re: Snap Store administrators removed signal-desktop from Ubuntu Snap

#119
post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are your others? I use signal alot personally and haven't had too many issues.

- Still need a phone number - They refuse to post the app on f-droid (directly) - No 3rd party clients allowed on their servers. - Crypto thing they attempted - I don't trust Moxie, he rubs me the wrong way.

What do you recommend as an alternative?

Re: Snap Store administrators removed signal-desktop from Ubuntu Snap

#120
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And last time I checked, they refused to let you use your own signing keys. Means you do not get end to end trust for your own bits but need to rely on Canonical that they don’t screw up - with the obvious effect of strong vendor lock-in as I cannot sign and run my own bits.

Yeah, that's the kind of stuff which has made Ubuntu Core rub me the wrong way before this. I'm a much bigger fan of Yocto[1], with something like Rauc[2] for the software upgrade system. It's more work to get going, but in the end, you're in control of your product, not Canonical. [1]: https://www.yoctoproject.org/ [2]: https://rauc.io/

I have spent years developing systems using Yocto, and it's a steep learning curve for the average developer. Maintaining a proper distribution is not trivial. However, communities exist that want to band together and create distributions that meet their common set of focused needs, and Yocto would be perfect for many of those use cases.

Of course, take my opinion with a grain of salt. I am currently developing a tool at my day job to significantly lower the developer time required to produce and regularly release our Yocto-based distributions. I hope to be able to release that package as open source at some point.

In any case, Yocto is infinitely better than Ubuntu's Snap Crap.

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