Does it have a power brick larger than the NUC, like those things usually do?
Neither the Verge piccies nor the marketing movie are clear on this.
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#112It continues to suck how African countries are excluded from these product launches and from many products in general. Microsoft has enough partners and regional offices because Office365 and Azure are the only worthy products for us in "shithole countries". If Microsoft isn't intending on selling a lot of these devices, the cost of adding 1 or 2 African countries would be relatively small compared to the revenue the…
They exclude about 180 countries
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#113Maybe I am missing the point, but why wouldn't you rather buy a NUC instead of this slow box? I get it MS wants to be like Apple, meticulously copying anything that pops up there, but their brand is associated with different "experiences" and their main value lies in backwards compatibility and open hardware ecosystem.
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#114Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm glad there's more serious competition in this space. And apparently I'm not alone in this opinion. From 2018: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17783924 > Oddly, what I'd really like to see is ARM enter the NUC space. Maybe I'm the only one, but I'd like be able to pay $200-400 for a small, low power usage, decently performant machine. The 8th generation Intel NUC are good, but 28W TDP and it'd be nice to get…
Well for what it's worth, Synology makes some ARM powered NASes. But I suppose those fall under the mobile SoC category.
I've always been tempted by them but the price per compute power never got to the point where I wanted to pull the trigger. I don't fault them at all for their design choices, they make complete sense, but I wanted the box to be more compute/memory heavy.
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#115It continues to suck how African countries are excluded from these product launches and from many products in general. Microsoft has enough partners and regional offices because Office365 and Azure are the only worthy products for us in "shithole countries". If Microsoft isn't intending on selling a lot of these devices, the cost of adding 1 or 2 African countries would be relatively small compared to the revenue the…
Are there any actual stats of how profitable African countries are for Microsoft?
I'd have to look. My previous employer spends a life changing amount of money on Azure. MS has a lot of local partners. They have an office here which seems adequately staffed (might be mostly consultants).
I'd say 90% of South African businesses use Office365 to done level.
We have Xbox subscriptions. When the Xbox came out, people bought it.
On the surface, Microsoft should be making decent revenue. It won't compare with the revenue from the 8 markets they chose. However that's my point, if they include smaller markets strategically in some launches, it can benefit them in the future.
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#116Maybe I am missing the point, but why wouldn't you rather buy a NUC instead of this slow box? I get it MS wants to be like Apple, meticulously copying anything that pops up there, but their brand is associated with different "experiences" and their main value lies in backwards compatibility and open hardware ecosystem.
Because Intel performance per watt sucks compared to the competition, mostly.
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#117game of thrones has nothing on that Microsoft video...
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#118Are they actually becoming serious about ARM all of a sudden or is this just a fluke?
It speaks volumes that Visual Studio wasn't even available as an ARM version until now.
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#119Sorry Microsoft, you lost me with Windows 11. I'll wait until you release a worthy successor to Windows 10, just like when I skipped Vista.
Is there a list of things that are worse with 11? I had it pushed on one of my less frequently used devices and so far all that has been annoying has been the Explorer context menu which hides "less used" items (some of which I frequently need, of course) behind a "More" entry.
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#120The difference here is that the M1 in the M1 mac mini is faster than Apple's phone SoC (the A16). The Qualcomm 8cx gen 3 (what a terrible name) in this machine is NOT faster than even Qualcomm's phone SoC (the 8 gen 1), let alone Apple's phone SoC. It's absurd to be selling a desktop PC that's weaker than a phone.
Exactly. Apple have the advantage of being able to tell consumers that if they want a new Mac, then they get no choice. They'll have to buy an M1 or M2. Despite of this Apple knew that M-series computers needed to be better than the previous Intel lineup, and noticeable so.
An ARM based Windows computer isn't a bad idea, I just question if Microsoft is able to deliver on it. Picking the same manufacturer, who repeatably failed to deliver usable ARM processors for desktop and laptops seem like a obvious mistake. This isn't their first attempt either, so why would I trust that this won't fail, like the last time? Apple had done this before an architecture transition before, Microsoft haven't, and I doubt they have the will to ensure that it will succeed. They are too tied up in the x86 world, too busy with Azure and they don't have the attention of the consumer market.
In terms of price, it's really close to the Mac mini. Factor in performance, then this thing is a bad deal.
The form factor is right for many uses, but I don't get who the potential buyers are.